AGM 65
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Oh, that is what is different. 3 minutes to warm up. In allied force that is only a second or so.
For the differences between Falcon Allied Force and Falcon BMS, consult the Conversion guide in my sig below.
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No it’s not best, don’t get used to it. Maverick power in RL is limited, so better keep them off when you don’t need them to work.
Roger that. Just telling him how to turn on manually…not necessarily when to turn them on.
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I make Rifle power-up part of my FENCE check.
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Thx for all replies.
Do Laser Guided Bombs also have a long warm up time in BMS?
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Thx for all replies.
Do Laser Guided Bombs also have a long warm up time in BMS?
No warm-up time for LGBs. Just make sure you arm your laser switch.
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the TGP has a warmup. you’ll notice it if you turn on the RIGHT HDPT switch near the stick during ramp and then switch to TGP. you’ll get the same “not timed out” message as with 65s.
most people won’t notice this though, as it’s only about 2 minutes and you usually won’t require the TGP until you’re at your target, probably 50+ miles away and easily outside the timeout in terms of traveltime.
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Does FLIR also need warming up time?
If I press shift H nothing happens.
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FLIR is not implemented. It was in past versions but removed quite some time now because it was wrong.
Real FLIR time-in / warm-up is 6 minutes.
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@Cik:
the TGP has a warmup. you’ll notice it if you turn on the RIGHT HDPT switch near the stick during ramp and then switch to TGP. you’ll get the same “not timed out” message as with 65s.
I fire up my TGP right after engine start, it’s an immensely valuable tool that I never fly without.
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I power them up at ramp. If I dont I tend to reach target area with them off and this makes me very angry.
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The problem with the Maverick is the battery, which depletes and it is not rechargable in flight, unlike the AIM 9s, where they have limited cooling.
So yeah, don’t get into the habit of powering your Mavericks unnecessarily early.It is known/unclassified how long the AGM-65 battery or AIM-9 cooling can last, before they’re depleted?
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I don’t think it is unclass IRL but even if it is, there is a difference between ‘unclass’ and ‘releasable to public’. Some people forget that and they get into troubles.
Anyway, It is not a problem to know how it is in BMS. I’d like to know it too.
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Maverick uses off-board aircraft electrical power through umbilical connection for captured operation and a thermal battery for launch/flight. There is no power limitation when connected to the aircraft. The limitations in standby and video-displaying times are due to other factors and are not electrical.
The timeout when power is turned on is for spinning up the gyro parts and cooling the IIR sensor to ~-200°C using a closed Sterling cycle capillary cryogenic engine. It can be overridden earlier if pilot knows the missile has been spinning gyros very recently and the sensor is cooled. In A/B models timeout override can damage the missile if done too early (gyro RPM). In the case of a sensor which is not cooled the video will appear washed out.
“Warm up” is only true in the loosest of senses. “Spin up” and “Cool down” would be much more accurate terms to use.
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I don’t think it is unclass IRL but even if it is, there is a difference between ‘unclass’ and ‘releasable to public’. Some people forget that and they get into troubles.
Anyway, It is not a problem to know how it is in BMS. I’d like to know it too.
Merry Christmas!Fair point. On these forums, people asking (inadvertently) for classified information is not all that common compared to the number of times people ask for limited distribution information.
On the plus side, limdis information does not represent a serious threat if disseminated to the wrong people.
Guess that’s why there are plenty of people on here who could discuss aircraft performance for instance, with reference to the (limdis) -1-1, but very few who could discuss (have the knowledge to, NOT the permission to) operation of the CIU-9492 (detailed in the CLASSIFIED -34-1-1-1 supplement).
I thinj people are a lot more likely to get into troubles for releasing stuff on the latter, than the former - much of the limdis stuff is an open secret for the F-16 at least.
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I think all Block 60 stuff and actual weapons versions should or are classified but old ones are well known for good or bad.
Anyway, info you could find around is not complete. I mean it’s not the same finding you need an E-pole of 22NM for AIM120 than describing the whole bubble at all altitudes an aspects for a determine version -
I think all Block 60 stuff and actual weapons versions should or are classified but old ones are well known for good or bad.
Anyway, info you could find around is not complete. I mean it’s not the same finding you need an E-pole of 22NM for AIM120 than describing the whole bubble at all altitudes an aspects for a determine versionWell, stuff like E pole is not in dash manuals anyway - and the relevant AFTTP manuals which do describe that ARE classified (at SECRET I assume).
completely different series of manuals, and ones which are at that, in my limited experience, significantly harder to find online - although this is a good thing.
good luck finding dash manuals on desert viper stuff (block 60), or weapons effects (cant remember the manual describing that, name has probably changed anyway).
As you say, old stuff is much easier to find - I think its a good thing. The kind of stuff in the dash manuals which are not classified is not the kind of thing that represents a massive security leak. Still probably best avoided, but again, for older manuals the information is online already. You can assemble a nice set of HAF F-16 dash manuals circa 1990 without much effort, although you wont get a -1-2 I dont think.
The problem with the Maverick is the battery, which depletes and it is not rechargable in flight, unlike the AIM 9s, where they have limited cooling.
So yeah, don’t get into the habit of powering your Mavericks unnecessarily early.Maverick uses off-board aircraft electrical power through umbilical connection for captured operation and a thermal battery for launch/flight. There is no power limitation when connected to the aircraft. The limitations in standby and video-displaying times are due to other factors and are not electrical.
The timeout when power is turned on is for spinning up the gyro parts and cooling the IIR sensor to ~-200°C using a closed Sterling cycle capillary cryogenic engine. It can be overridden earlier if pilot knows the missile has been spinning gyros very recently and the sensor is cooled. In A/B models timeout override can damage the missile if done too early (gyro RPM). In the case of a sensor which is not cooled the video will appear washed out.
“Warm up” is only true in the loosest of senses. “Spin up” and “Cool down” would be much more accurate terms to use.
Hmmmm. Disagreement. Well, I was under the impression that what Frederf said was correct, at least for more recent mavericks. Dont know about the A models. Source: old limdis manuals are easy enough to find…
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I don’t care about classified stuff because it never applies to BMS. Anything worth keeping secret isn’t going to be modeled in enough detail or accuracy to be useful to the sim pilot.
The A models are the same. I don’t know of any electrically-powered missile that eschews off board power.
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Maybe there’s a mixup with aim-9 that used gas to cool down?
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I don’t care about classified stuff because it never applies to BMS. Anything worth keeping secret isn’t going to be modeled in enough detail or accuracy to be useful to the sim pilot.
The A models are the same. I don’t know of any electrically-powered missile that eschews off board power.
See, I find it interesting to learn about - even if its not useful to me, its still fascinating to learn.
You have a very good point about how useful things are if they are more secret than an open secret, though. If manuals in the public domain (ideally DSA ones) are available, then chances are good that that stuff is modeled in BMS. The stuff which is hard to find, (or hard to model) is not as likely to be seen in BMS. Case in point, the elusive -1-2 stores limitations manual - not easy to find (if at all possible) - and not modeled in BMS. Case in point, operation of the ECM panel (and in fairness, if the BMS devs DID somehow get a dash thirty four triple sticks, I would not be surprised if they chose NOT to implement it, a) for difficulty in updating the EW environment in BMS, and very much b) not wanting the attention from official sources on just how such information was obtained.
Going off that, I think its safe to assume that if its worth sticking a classification onto, its simply not going to be modeled correctly in the sim.