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It’s all good Deejay. I myself would like to get to the bottom of this and I apologize if my words offended.
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It’s all good Deejay. I myself would like to get to the bottom of this and I apologize if my words offended.
No worry … we are here to discus. And no offense taken as I can easily understand your initial remark.
Lets stay relax.
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Hello
…… I don’t know sincerely why Shadow started this thread on this forum for a technical question about polycount in 3d models. We have in our forum a specific section for this topic, obiouvsly everyone is free to do what he wants .
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Sir why should I not raise the issue of model poly count here, and why do you assume that I should have posted on your forum?
In case you didn’t read it, my original question was in effect “How much detail do we need ?”
And expanded into: “I just want some better models for ground units but in the 1/2/3k poly range with at least L2/L3 AND with a representative Destroyed Model as well.”
And I disagree with “everyone is free to do what he wants” we do not live in isolation.
Regards
PS: Again I say this is not the direction I had intended the thread too go.
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… Archer, you as far as we have experienced so far have presented a good product. Thankyou , and please gents or madams at Falcon Online thanks for sponsoring the download.
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But please Falcon Online and outsider like us, appreciate your sponsorship and Archer your time, dedication and talent. Thank you.… and not BMS team guys? Oh … didn’t they made a good work also before FO can put the multilayer part into a higher level?
Come on … it is a thankless post you’ve made towards your host here?
But I agree. FO made a good work … and it is not finished. They will have more do to with the future version and some feaure specificaly for their activity
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Sooooooo……let me get this straight BMS
I obtain a Model, whether Free DL or purchase it with an open Development Licence, which only states that I am free to do with it as I wish.
AND I further develop the model as the original author gave me rights to do so. AND the OA states in the EULA that any further modifications\permutations are my own and you are free to distribute as such.
What’s the BIG problem ???In many,many models\skins for FalconBMS in the past and recently, and I mean MANY……I’ve not seen a lot of “Give credit where credit is due” not even in this iteration.
Other than a thanks at the EXIT .scf…how many Falconeers even read that???Please produce to me where Ron, Steve or any of the others from Viperwear gave you a licence to use their skins…TIA…
Speaking of which…do you guys have a legit licence from Microprose\Hasbro or G2i to continue development on the .exe???
If so, please PM me with that agreement…chuckle…Mark??Duncan??Rivers???..I do agree that Nizmo and others have posted OA works as their own. But we did not IMHO see their agreement with the OA.
LMAO……just saying,
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This has become ridiculous & petty.
Benefiting no one.
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Demer the thing is the license is for u not for BMS.
BMS asks for the 3d model as well, and it’s correct to do so, so there is an issue here.
I don’t see a solution here.
The only solution is that such models will remain only for the theater and can not be used for the BMS vanila install.On the other hand if this is the case, theater only, then BMS shouldn’t bother or demand copyright matters. Sure should ask to confront with copyright issues but ain’t BMS the mean that created or distributed it.
Now the forum ain’t BMS anymore. So the guys that admin it have the problem of allowing posts of material that might have copyright issues.
So if they don’t want the trouble to check everything and loose time on it and get headaches and etc they could say guys forget it and it’s done.
This should also apply to other areas also like textures and It should go even further-deeper… but it seems only 3d dev’s are itchy on the subject. I don’t see any worries for-from the rest…
Example I done some things for Aegean which came from original Aegean then my work on Aegean passed on Ikaros… I never gave my permission for Ikaros (bad boys… :lol: Sure they have it just saying it for the example, but actually I never gave it). So should I ask them to get them off?
further more those purchased models most of the time have issues for copyright when money are on the table. I don’t see any money on the table here, except of the guy that bought them. Some to be more safe say even if money are not on the table I don’t want them to pass as originals to other hands in case money goes to another table…
So the issue get’s on the surface whenever someone wakes up the beast. In the past there was a serious knock on the door and guys went up more serious and cautious… So let the beast sleep and be on the safe side.
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Sooooooo……let me get this straight BMS
I obtain a Model, whether Free DL or purchase it with an open Development Licence, which only states that I am free to do with it as I wish.
AND I further develop the model as the original author gave me rights to do so. AND the OA states in the EULA that any further modifications\permutations are my own and you are free to distribute as such.
What’s the BIG problem ???quoting forum rules you did accept January 1st, 2015:
3. Collaborated / Community Work: Any files, mods,and/or content offered on this forum must state all contributors to any and all work included. In the event a member distributing work based on works of another contributor, he/she must have authorization from the original author for its use. Failure to comply with this policy will result in post deletion, and a permanent ban.
I’ll re explain for you Demer since you seem not to understand
COnsidering the example you provided above: The BIG problem is that you provided 10 hours of work and got credits for hundreths+ hours of work you didn’t do. Someone else did that work and didn’t get properly credited. It’s unfair to other ppl, being part of this community or not.
What is the part you guys don’t understand?Taking free models or free work from someone else is okay AL LONG AS YOU GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE - and you have permission, that goes without saying.
that way you take a model or a skin or a chart or whatever and update it. Then provide it for download crediting all parties.
in 6 months when somebody finds your link, then he can thank ppl appropriately and not just you who provided only 10% of the work.
ANd if then an issue arise, the OP has been fully transparent and the issue can be solved quickly if not avoided all together.Isn’t the above nothing but fair?
What kind of problems do you have with honestly, transparency and fairness.
You guys always prefer to take all for you and ignore the original author?NOT in this forum mate
As a side note we perfectly understand that seeking permission from inactive guys is often impossible. And falcon has a very long history not 5% of the guys here know fully. We all know we do, but many of us know only bribes of it.
We give much leeway on “seeking permission”. But if a model is disputed and the original active author say he didn’t give permission, then what we will do as a moderation team is pretty obvious.In many,many models\skins for FalconBMS in the past and recently, and I mean MANY……I’ve not seen a lot of “Give credit where credit is due” not even in this iteration.
Other than a thanks at the EXIT .scf…how many Falconeers even read that???We don’t care who read or who doesn’t. We care about the integrity of ppl posting here.
Beside if ppl don’t read it, why is it a problem for modders to actually give credit then?
if you are honest and straight, you’ll be fine.
if you’re playing on the edge or cheating, you’ll be questionned
those are the rules and we don’t want ppl posting on this forum not respecting this very forum rules.LMAO……just saying,
pissapointed demerYou have to be a bit more looking further ahead than your own nose.
Moderators don’t appreciate one bit of the CRAP we have to go through because of wild users or stupid post
But we do it to keep the forum OPEN for the silent majority who hopefully understand what we are doing.
My own (therefore personnal) opinion is that these forum should have been closed months ago and that crap being addressed in other places, but yet I do what is required to try to keep them open because I know that for every loud speaking and questionning user here, there are 100 lurkers who need the sometimes interesting question & information posted here.So you can be pisapointed Demer, I don’t care one tiny bit. You don’t understand one bit of what is at stake
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Moderators don’t appreciate one bit of the CRAP we have to go through because of wild users or stupid post
But we do it to keep the forum OPEN for the silent majority who hopefully understand what we are doing.
My own (therefore personnal) opinion is that these forum should have been closed months ago and that crap being addressed in other places, but yet I do what is required to try to keep them open because I know that for every loud speaking and questionning user here, there are 100 lurkers who need the sometimes interesting question & information posted here.So you can be pisapointed Demer, I don’t care one tiny bit. You don’t understand one bit of what is at stake
+1000.
People (or at least I) dont say it enough, RD, but thanks for taking the time for doing all this.
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Guys (Red Dog and DeeJay) did you make in your life a work with 3ds max or other software for modeling? All modelers use the confrontation with reality or with another reference for to make a new work.
Thank you for your explanation Danguard.
To answer your question:
- I am a plastic model builder (matter of fact I built that 1/35 SA-6 from trumpeter a while ago) doingscratch parts and often using 3D software for that
- I am also a cockpit builder and along the path of building my cockpit I had indeed to learn the basics of 3D modelling
- Lastly i also make quite a bit of BMS skins for models.
The above three hobbies indeed provide basic understanding of how 3D model work and how 3D models are skinned.
That’s because, legally speaking, if a model differs by a single polygon from another is impossible to accuse someone of copyright infringement.
Legal stuff is one thing but it’s beside the point here. We are not going to sue anyone for such tiny détails (although we already received quite our loads of petty threats)
The issue here is abiding to forum rules and respecting the users of this forum by giving credit where t is due as quoted above from the forum rules.You are not at stake here because you didn’t provide that Sa-6 for download here, but a third party asked a question using those models.
So let’s make things quite clear you didn’t breach our forum rules. This whole thread is here because other ppl wants to take part of it and needs to be pointed to OUR forum rules.STILL, I’d like to point something out:
If you really did that model from scratch - which I would accept for the moment on the benefiit of the doubt.
Why the heck do you allow a Template to be used on your model that is available from a free model website, without asking at least your Skinner to make a specific skin for it?
That last image is from: http://tf3dm.com/3d-model/2k12-kub-74976.html
Look at the serial: Even the flipping transparency on the sides are the same, therefore tell me the skins is your team’s ??? No way mateLastly I also know that when I skin a BMS model, if that model is just a bit updated then the skin I created for the original model will still be suitable but will be inevitably messed up at places.
The importance of the mismatch will be proportional to the amount of work done on the 3D model. the more you change the 3D model, the more skin mismatches will be visibleSo you created a model from scratch but a texture available on a free model website still match ??
At least accord us the benefit of the doubt and understand why we question those models. There are quite a bit of coïncidences involved.But as I said, you didn’t offer the model for donwload here, (Mr N did and was banned for it) so you didn’t breach our forum rules.
These models may be included in other BMS mods or terrain and that’s their responsibility to accept this or not, as they may have other’s rules.In this very example, the model is free. All we would ask if the model was offered for download here would be:
Model initially done by XXX (with eventually a link) updated by YYY and suitable for BMS third party integration.
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+1000.
People (or at least I) dont say it enough, RD, but thanks for taking the time for doing all this.
+10000!!!
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Guys (Red Dog and DeeJay) did you make in your life a work with 3ds max or other software for modeling?
I’ve made this when I was much younger … 20years ago with
(under DOS)Made also the Saturn VI rocket plus the LEM … but gave up 3D modeling after this project because was too much time consuming.
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3DS4 for 3D modellers, and 2 Technics record players for the DJ’s, … oldschool rulez, … those were the days. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/coolio.gif
… and brings back nice memories here.;)Sigh
It seems you’re not untalented. I like youir renderings. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/speak_cool.gif
Cheers, http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/hat_3.gif
LSHehe thank you Lazy … no blueprint nor dimension available back in 1995 I’ve used only paper photos and by memory. This is why I am not good in relative dimensions nor in colors (especially for the mixer, on the photos, I saw a light blue, but IRL was gray … never minds, I was happy with the result.
Technics SL1200 Limited (The Rolls Royce among the DJ turntables)
Pioneer DJM500
Pioneer CDJ500 MkII
Was my dream back in 1995 when I just started to learn DJing … Now, when I hae the time here and there, I am using VDJ8 with a Hecules DJ4Set console which 20 times cheaper and allow to do the same… or even more. But this is not the same feeling than vinyl. I really miss this feeling but for the rare case I still mix, it doesn’t worse the money to buy again an entire set. However, I still have two cases full of vinyl records.
… well well …
Unfortunately, no render for my Apollo project. Only the mesh file in .PRJ
… If I had more free time, I would like ti give a try to 3DSMax … but I do not have enough faith.
Sorry for OT guys … but good memories
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Dee-Jay, IMHO mixing vinyl is the only true mixing.
Regarding 3DSMax, …
While looking at your renderings, I’ve asked myself if it don’t prickle in your fingers to do 3D modelling,
… if you would have more time.If you’ll ever try 3DSMax, then you’ll see that you can do nice things with your 3DS4 knowledge.;)
Cheers,
LS