Prediction for the future of falcon 4
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are you aware of Lockheed-Martin’s Prepar3D simulation software?
Already discussed…
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Didn’t get your remark regarding C/C++, Falcon code is written in C++, if some code is in C it’s maybe some local module which there is no problem for it to stay as-is.
UI? UI will stay as-is until it’s replaced with something more modern… but that has nothing to do with C/C++, some very modern SW still use C code for some modules etc, it’s not a sin you know
Ohhh U “Get It” alright……ROTFLMAO!!!
As long as you guys don’t start writing in C#, I’m cool…
There is only so much my Adapteva A-1 SC can handle on the front end when it comes to de-compile…:mrgreen:Stay Sharp M8,no sin intended…
tired and about to retire,
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Sorry we prefer notepad for programming because our 486dx can not handle visual studio.
There’s a program called Notepad++, its much prettier. It has numbers down the side & lots of menus on the top. And it runs real good on my K6-iii+ (the king of CPUs) and anything with a + in its name is always better)
Man you should really update and get with the program. If you need help i’m shore BlueWolf will jump in.
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At least no one ostracized the original poster. :rolleyes:
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At least no one ostracized the original poster. :rolleyes:
Actually, the future of fbms is on all of our minds. A civil discussion about it should be encouraged, but always with a grain of salt.
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I’m very happy to hear that falcon is coded in c++.
Are there any plans to put the pointer stuff (the speed optimized gfx and calculations, I presume) in dlls
and use c# for the high level stuff and a nicer UI in a far future?BMS developping the core stuff and publishing dlls along with some high level c# code handling the DB and UI?
Could this be a kind of falcon onion rings development?
This would make a lot of people very happy - again with the possible downside of having hundreds of falcon flavors floating around.
The upside could carry a lot of nice surprises, I believe. -
Actually, the future of fbms is on all of our minds. A civil discussion about it should be encouraged, but always with a grain of salt.
I don’t think you can talk about the future of BMS outside the the context of the viability of “Flight Sims” as a whole.
Historically they don’t seem to have a good reputation as profitable investments.
Gone are the heydays of the 80s & 90s, who is still left standing except DCS.
Its a niche market and the development of a new engine, or even the adaption of an existing one if credible, for such a large enviro I imagine would expansive & expensive.
If every member of this forum were to contribute $500/1000 it would still be not enough. I know thats not what BMS is about.
But we all know a major rebuild of Falcon cant be done by the BMS team, they have families ect & have to make a living. They just don’t have the time for it.
While I regret the lack of features that some of the previous iterations of Falcon ( AF, FF ect ) I find myself amazed and appreciative that we still have a viable version of Falcon4 to fly with our friends & enemies.
It’s stable, it has consistent connectivity, it has a reasonable level of fidelity, it still looks OK to me (most of the time). We still have groups dedicated to developing AddOn theaters. And others improving features & objects. Thanks
Thanks BMS and all those of past decades who have contributed to the Sim I have been flying for the last 16 years, who would have bet on it lasting this long.
PS, Can I have 4.33 now :drink:
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To me the probability for creation of a software being able to take old, non object oriented code and build optimized code for a new platform like the one mentioned by raven
is higher compared to the probability of artificial intelligence being able to outperform a human brain in each aspect.So we just have to stay young and wait.
meanwhile, to Hawkings is the probability of the latter one high enough to warn mankind about their next steps in the AI/AGI regard.
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I don’t think you can talk about the future of BMS outside the the context of the viability of “Flight Sims” as a whole.
Historically they don’t seem to have a good reputation as profitable investments.
Gone are the heydays of the 80s & 90s, who is still left standing except DCS.
Its a niche market and the development of a new engine, or even the adaption of an existing one if credible, for such a large enviro I imagine would expansive & expensive.
If every member of this forum were to contribute $500/1000 it would still be not enough. I know thats not what BMS is about.
But we all know a major rebuild of Falcon cant be done by the BMS team, they have families ect & have to make a living. They just don’t have the time for it.
While I regret the lack of features that some of the previous iterations of Falcon ( AF, FF ect ) I find myself amazed and appreciative that we still have a viable version of Falcon4 to fly with our friends & enemies.
It’s stable, it has consistent connectivity, it has a reasonable level of fidelity, it still looks OK to me (most of the time). We still have groups dedicated to developing AddOn theaters. And others improving features & objects. Thanks
Thanks BMS and all those of past decades who have contributed to the Sim I have been flying for the last 16 years, who would have bet on it lasting this long.
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272/ShadowVonChadwick/F5-1.jpg
PS, Can I have 4.33 now :drink:
The discussion about the future of Falcon has little to nothing to do with a market or nitche. It is about a community that continues to build and improve the existing Falcon world. Yes the core devs are busy and work progresses slowly. The theature devs continue to build off of what the core devs do.
Seems to me that it is not about money but more about the love of this sim. I think the future of Falcon is bright and evolving. Time will tell what Falcon is instore for in the future, but discussing it is healthy for the community as well as the devs.
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Can anyone tell me if there are any plans to add on the “latest models” of F-16 to BMS? I’m thinking along the lines of the Block 60 and above, F-16V, etc. And not just changing around the front of the cockpit, putting in new MFDs and a third larger display below the DED, but actually implementing the advanced features of the V model, too. Not that I’m exactly conversant with what all those new capabilities ARE…
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The discussion about the future of Falcon has little to nothing to do with a market or nitche. It is about a community that continues to build and improve the existing Falcon world. Yes the core devs are busy and work progresses slowly. The theature devs continue to build off of what the core devs do.
Seems to me that it is not about money but more about the love of this sim. I think the future of Falcon is bright and evolving. Time will tell what Falcon is instore for in the future, but discussing it is healthy for the community as well as the devs.
What ever , you missed the point.
And Falcon will die, you can only get so much blood out of a stone. Just like DCS, unless core limitations are overcome. And I don’t think they ever will be.
For some of us it won’t matter to much, I might still be flying Falcon in years to come but its a shrinking world.BMS is a closed environment, that’s the way they are and its their prerogative, but as you put it “work progresses slowly” is what it is.
They openly acknowledge there art going to be any “big or new improvements” in 4.33, and that’s OK, most or some of us can live with that, fact of life. Can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear, all thing die sooner or later.
You want to deny its not about money but I think your a little naive there, people need to earn a living and the quality of programmers and developers needed & the amount of time to produce any sort of generational improvements are out of the scope of BMS.
They love what they do, and I’m great full for it, but their best days are behind them. Who else is there.
Can’t build sky scrapers out of mud bricks, Can’t put men on the moon if you can’t pay for the fuel.
If you want to do the TagKnight thing go for it.
Tell me this, where can you buy a legal copy of Falcon4 from and how much ?
I still have my Three ring binder copy from 98, and another spare original disk, where are the new generation of Falconers going to get there’s.So tell me where the Future of Falcon is going to come from ?
As a Squad with a 9 year history in its current format I can tell you that after a recent Website/forum rebuild we are back up to over forty members from our days of well over a hundred. But the core group can fit into a 8 ship package on a good day.
Most days we go looking for flights with Partner Wings.Now look what you made me do, its turned into a long and dreary post of doom and gloom.
Excuse Me while I go shoot down my flight Lead, Coco say pos. :twisted:
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the quality of programmers and developers needed
… are out of the scope of BMS.
i can guarantee you that you are wrong about that, definitively.
not to mention that insulting your host is not a good idea
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What ever , you missed the point.
Nope. I think you did.
And Falcon will die, you can only get so much blood out of a stone. Just like DCS, unless core limitations are overcome. And I don’t think they ever will be.
For some of us it won’t matter to much, I might still be flying Falcon in years to come but its a shrinking world.Many have said this. Falcon is on its last days. Even I thought Falcon was over and a newer sim would stand before it. But if DCS is the next best thing, I still wait to see why. In other words, I havent seen it yet.
BMS is a closed environment, that’s the way they are and its their prerogative, but as you put it “work progresses slowly” is what it is.
They openly acknowledge there art going to be any “big or new improvements” in 4.33, and that’s OK, most or some of us can live with that, fact of life. Can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear, all thing die sooner or later.
Yes, this will be the last update for this version of FBMS. Dunc has posted a poll on OS use and made a statement that the next version of Falcon would need to run on Vista, 7 or higher. A 64bit OS Falcon would be a truly awesome version. As I have mentioned before, the advantages would be enormous!
You want to deny its not about money but I think your a little naive there, people need to earn a living and the quality of programmers and developers needed & the amount of time to produce any sort of generational improvements are out of the scope of BMS.
As stated previously, there appears to be a 64bit version of Falcon in the works. As for money, the devs could have asked for donations or other mediums to pay for there work. They have not done this. They also get rather agitated when discussing any compensation for there work. This because they love what they do. Money just messes things up.
They love what they do, and I’m great full for it, but their best days are behind them. Who else is there.
Best days behind them? I wonder what your basis of comparison are?
Can’t build sky scrapers out of mud bricks, Can’t put men on the moon if you can’t pay for the fuel.
If you want to do the TagKnight thing go for it.
You called me what? TagKnight is a troll. I am, nor have I ever been a troll.
Tell me this, where can you buy a legal copy of Falcon4 from and how much ?
Ebay, search on the internet or here on the forums.
I still have my Three ring binder copy from 98, and another spare original disk, where are the new generation of Falconers going to get there’s.
The exc. Is out there. Just have to search for it. One can find Falcon if you look for it.
So tell me where the Future of Falcon is going to come from ?
Where it always has, the community. No one has left the team afaik. In fact I hear of new members coming forward all the time.
As a Squad with a 9 year history in its current format I can tell you that after a recent Website/forum rebuild we are back up to over forty members from our days of well over a hundred. But the core group can fit into a 8 ship package on a good day.
Most days we go looking for flights with Partner Wings.It is great to see so many in your wing enjoy fbms.
Now look what you made me do, its turned into a long and dreary post of doom and gloom.
Excuse Me while I go shoot down my flight Lead, Coco say pos. :twisted:
There you go blaming me again. Well hope you have a good flight. Back to the OP……
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i can guarantee you that you are wrong about that, definitively.
not to mention that insulting your host is not a good idea
Sir your quoting that out of context, maybe I should have wrote " the quantity (number) of quality programmers and the amount of time needed"
Also the “qualities” of a person or thing does not necessarily limited only to the narrow “a degree of competence” interpretation.
I realize that many here are not native English speakers and often tend to perceive only the negative. But this is an English forum, and I cant be held responsible for your, or any others, failing to allow enough grace to a poster who intended no insult.
Here a a few “Synonyms” for the word “quality” they include - kind, attribute, description, type, parameter, peculiarity, sort.
Do you have a need for a few more programmer who only work on building people websites, Or someone who’s only experience is with PLCs.
I imagine the qualities BMS look for in programmers and others to be invited to join you would preclude a very high percentage of people who think themselves qualified to do so, even though they might be competent in their own field. Should they then take offence if BMS does not think they have the qualities needed ? Is their any personal offence in that? I would not think so.
And some dictionary definitions:
1. an essential characteristic, property, or attribute: the qualities found in great writing.
2. character or nature, as belonging to or distinguishing a thing: the quality of a color.
3. character with respect to grade of excellence or fineness: materials of poor quality.
4. superiority; excellence: a reputation for quality.
5. a personality or character trait: Generosity is one of her many good qualities.
6. an accomplishment or attainment.
7. high social position: a man of quality.
8. timbre (def. 1).
9. the tonal color, or timbre, that characterizes a particular vowel sound.
10. Logic. the character of a proposition as affirmative or negative.So Sir If you chose to take insult (affront, offence, injury or umbrage) from my seemingly bad choice of wording, then that is your prerogative.
Good day.
PS, yes there was no offence intended or implied.
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GODDAM this shit.
Every now and again the same. Somebody goes with a thread on how BMS should evolve and thinks he can revolutionize everything. And everybody goes on with his idea “yeah, BMS should do this, or that” or “BMS is dead” or “BMS should accept money” or whatever bullshit they just thought of.
Once and for all, the team has enough skill to know what is good for Falcon. So how about everybody stops spilling this unproductive bullshit debated to death for now, and wait for 3-4 weeks before judging what BMS should or shouldnt do.
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Respect people who will give you another chance to fly more often with falcon and your friends. For free.
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Tell me why are you so sensitive, and so quick to anger and use words that are clearly aggressive ?
Are you really that insecure ?
I don’t think the sensibilities of the average BMS member are so fragile that they will be affected from a divergent view on the subject.
Do you only want to read “fanboy” dribble? Is it healthy to jump downs some ones throat, because you don’t agree with them, as I see you do often.
Why are you so stressed, why take it personal. Do you act like this at sports events?
There is an “ignore” option on this forum I believe! May be you should take advantage of it, as I may do.
You have a nice day.
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GODDAM this shit.
Every now and again the same. Somebody goes with a thread on how BMS should evolve and thinks he can revolutionize everything. And everybody goes on with his idea “yeah, BMS should do this, or that” or “BMS is dead” or “BMS should accept money” or whatever bullshit they just thought of.
Once and for all, the team has enough skill to know what is good for Falcon. So how about everybody stops spilling this unproductive bullshit debated to death for now, and wait for 3-4 weeks before judging what BMS should or shouldnt do.
I guess we cant discuss the future of fbms sensibly. I suggest closing the thread. No need to derail the thread over someone who doesnt think Falcon has a future.