Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments)
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@chihirobelmo
My new SimGears ICP arrived recently.
The 3-position switch for GAIN/LVL/AUTO utilizes a virtual POV for the LVL (center) position.
AL shows this as „POV1.UP: Sim Gears IT“ but I‘m unable to assign anything to this.
In the falcon bms.cfg the parameter g_nNumOfPOVs is 2 (stick + WH throttle).
Could you have a look into this? -
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@chihirobelmo
My new SimGears ICP arrived recently.
The 3-position switch for GAIN/LVL/AUTO utilizes a virtual POV for the LVL (center) position.
AL shows this as „POV1.UP: Sim Gears IT“ but I‘m unable to assign anything to this.
In the falcon bms.cfg the parameter g_nNumOfPOVs is 2 (stick + WH throttle).
Could you have a look into this?@Razor161 - did the ICP come with a link to download MMJoy2 (or similar) to work on it at the chip level? I’m curious if that switch could be reset to output DX #'s instead of a POV. They may have set that up initially as a DX32 device to keep withing 4.35’s operating parameters, 4.36 can have 128 DX#'s per device now… My Simgears ICP is due to arrive today, i’ll see what I can find out.
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@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@chihirobelmo
My new SimGears ICP arrived recently.
The 3-position switch for GAIN/LVL/AUTO utilizes a virtual POV for the LVL (center) position.
AL shows this as „POV1.UP: Sim Gears IT“ but I‘m unable to assign anything to this.
In the falcon bms.cfg the parameter g_nNumOfPOVs is 2 (stick + WH throttle).
Could you have a look into this?@Razor161 - did the ICP come with a link to download MMJoy2 (or similar) to work on it at the chip level?
Not that I’m aware of. It is ready to use and does not require to use release events since each 3-pos switch only sends a short press event. That’s why they reached 33 DX buttons.
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@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@chihirobelmo
My new SimGears ICP arrived recently.
The 3-position switch for GAIN/LVL/AUTO utilizes a virtual POV for the LVL (center) position.
AL shows this as „POV1.UP: Sim Gears IT“ but I‘m unable to assign anything to this.
In the falcon bms.cfg the parameter g_nNumOfPOVs is 2 (stick + WH throttle).
Could you have a look into this?@Razor161 - did the ICP come with a link to download MMJoy2 (or similar) to work on it at the chip level?
Not that I’m aware of. It is ready to use and does not require to use release events since each 3-pos switch only sends a short press event. That’s why they reached 33 DX buttons.
Ok, so it is using DX#'s above DX32, correct? I was thinking he did not know 4.36 allows up to DX128 and may have used a POV command to keep it maxxed at DX32. I just emailed him for clarification, because I can reassign that switch’s outputs if MMJoy2 will work with it… that is how my current ICP was set up.
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@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@chihirobelmo
My new SimGears ICP arrived recently.
The 3-position switch for GAIN/LVL/AUTO utilizes a virtual POV for the LVL (center) position.
AL shows this as „POV1.UP: Sim Gears IT“ but I‘m unable to assign anything to this.
In the falcon bms.cfg the parameter g_nNumOfPOVs is 2 (stick + WH throttle).
Could you have a look into this?@Razor161 - did the ICP come with a link to download MMJoy2 (or similar) to work on it at the chip level?
Not that I’m aware of. It is ready to use and does not require to use release events since each 3-pos switch only sends a short press event. That’s why they reached 33 DX buttons.
Ok, so it is using DX#'s above DX32, correct? I was thinking he did not know 4.36 allows up to DX128 and may have used a POV command to keep it maxxed at DX32. I just emailed him for clarification, because I can reassign that switch’s outputs if MMJoy2 will work with it… that is how my current ICP was set up.
They would need a DX33
They have 32 DXs plus POV1.Up. -
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@chihirobelmo
My new SimGears ICP arrived recently.
The 3-position switch for GAIN/LVL/AUTO utilizes a virtual POV for the LVL (center) position.
AL shows this as „POV1.UP: Sim Gears IT“ but I‘m unable to assign anything to this.
In the falcon bms.cfg the parameter g_nNumOfPOVs is 2 (stick + WH throttle).
Could you have a look into this?@Razor161 - did the ICP come with a link to download MMJoy2 (or similar) to work on it at the chip level?
Not that I’m aware of. It is ready to use and does not require to use release events since each 3-pos switch only sends a short press event. That’s why they reached 33 DX buttons.
Ok, so it is using DX#'s above DX32, correct? I was thinking he did not know 4.36 allows up to DX128 and may have used a POV command to keep it maxxed at DX32. I just emailed him for clarification, because I can reassign that switch’s outputs if MMJoy2 will work with it… that is how my current ICP was set up.
They would need a DX33
They have 32 DXs plus POV1.Up.Ok, that’s what I thought, he kept it at DX32 not being aware of BMS’s latest iteration… should be an easy fix to simply set that switch as 3 separate DX #'s…
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@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@chihirobelmo
My new SimGears ICP arrived recently.
The 3-position switch for GAIN/LVL/AUTO utilizes a virtual POV for the LVL (center) position.
AL shows this as „POV1.UP: Sim Gears IT“ but I‘m unable to assign anything to this.
In the falcon bms.cfg the parameter g_nNumOfPOVs is 2 (stick + WH throttle).
Could you have a look into this?@Razor161 - did the ICP come with a link to download MMJoy2 (or similar) to work on it at the chip level?
Not that I’m aware of. It is ready to use and does not require to use release events since each 3-pos switch only sends a short press event. That’s why they reached 33 DX buttons.
Ok, so it is using DX#'s above DX32, correct? I was thinking he did not know 4.36 allows up to DX128 and may have used a POV command to keep it maxxed at DX32. I just emailed him for clarification, because I can reassign that switch’s outputs if MMJoy2 will work with it… that is how my current ICP was set up.
They would need a DX33
They have 32 DXs plus POV1.Up.Ok, that’s what I thought, he kept it at DX32 not being aware of BMS’s latest iteration… should be an easy fix to simply set that switch as 3 separate DX #'s…
.It would be nice if you figure out if that can be done and how (for noobs like me).
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Hi at all, just a question. The alternate launcher wont let me bind the below listed binding to my device. Someone has a solution on how to bind it?
RadioTowerCommand
RadioAWACSCommand
RadioTankerCommand
RadioWingCommand
RadioElementCommand
RadioFlightCommand -
I am having an odd problem. When I Launch BMS 4.36 from Alternative Launcher v2.1.0 I have BMS - Auto as the keyfile selected in game.
If I am making edits to the keyfile in AL it is actually editing BMS - Full but I still get BMS - Auto in BMS.
If I select BMS - Full in Setup - Controllers in BMS and Apply and OK, then Exit BMS and relaunch from AL it is back to BMS - Auto again.
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@Pegasus82 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
I am having an odd problem. When I Launch BMS 4.36 from Alternative Launcher v2.1.0 I have BMS - Auto as the keyfile selected in game.
If I am making edits to the keyfile in AL it is actually editing BMS - Full but I still get BMS - Auto in BMS.
If I select BMS - Full in Setup - Controllers in BMS and Apply and OK, then Exit BMS and relaunch from AL it is back to BMS - Auto again.
If you launch BMS from AL then the BMS - Full key file is created and selected. That’s normal. But it should not overwrite the original BMS - Full key file.
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@Razor161 - OK, just installed mine no re-programming is necessary. The GAIN/LVL/AUTO switch does not appear to be used anymore as I don’t see it in AL or BMS itself. The switch is Up/DX31 , Down/DX32/ Center/POV1.Up. If I ever used that switch I guess I will worry about changing the LVL position to DX33, but as I have nothing to bind it to it’s wasted effort for now… If given the choie I would have had Simgears leave the “IFF” button blank and used DX3 elsewhere and that would alleviate the need of hte POV assignment on DX32 limited software…
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@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 - OK, just installed mine no re-programming is necessary. The GAIN/LVL/AUTO switch does not appear to be used anymore as I don’t see it in AL or BMS itself. The switch is Up/DX31 , Down/DX32/ Center/POV1.Up. If I ever used that switch I guess I will worry about changing the LVL position to DX33, but as I have nothing to bind it to it’s wasted effort for now… If given the choie I would have had Simgears leave the “IFF” button blank and used DX3 elsewhere and that would alleviate the need of hte POV assignment on DX32 limited software…
On my old ICP I used the GAIN/LVL/AUTO switch as MASTER ARM ON/OFF/SIM. And I also use the IFF button regularly. So I don’t share your opinion regarding that suggestion.
However I solved the MASTER ARM switch by moving it to one of the switches on my throttle.
Being able to use the POV1.Up in AL would be great so we can use all three positions of this switch as well. -
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 - OK, just installed mine no re-programming is necessary. The GAIN/LVL/AUTO switch does not appear to be used anymore as I don’t see it in AL or BMS itself. The switch is Up/DX31 , Down/DX32/ Center/POV1.Up. If I ever used that switch I guess I will worry about changing the LVL position to DX33, but as I have nothing to bind it to it’s wasted effort for now… If given the choie I would have had Simgears leave the “IFF” button blank and used DX3 elsewhere and that would alleviate the need of hte POV assignment on DX32 limited software…
On my old ICP I used the GAIN/LVL/AUTO switch as MASTER ARM ON/OFF/SIM. And I also use the IFF button regularly. So I don’t share your opinion regarding that suggestion.
However I solved the MASTER ARM switch by moving it to one of the switches on my throttle.
Being able to use the POV1.Up in AL would be great so we can use all three positions of this switch as well.You could always assign the GAIN Up position to ARM/ AUTO Down to SIM or Off. I use TMS left for IFF… but maybe i’m off a bit.
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@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Icer said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
@Razor161 - OK, just installed mine no re-programming is necessary. The GAIN/LVL/AUTO switch does not appear to be used anymore as I don’t see it in AL or BMS itself. The switch is Up/DX31 , Down/DX32/ Center/POV1.Up. If I ever used that switch I guess I will worry about changing the LVL position to DX33, but as I have nothing to bind it to it’s wasted effort for now… If given the choie I would have had Simgears leave the “IFF” button blank and used DX3 elsewhere and that would alleviate the need of hte POV assignment on DX32 limited software…
On my old ICP I used the GAIN/LVL/AUTO switch as MASTER ARM ON/OFF/SIM. And I also use the IFF button regularly. So I don’t share your opinion regarding that suggestion.
However I solved the MASTER ARM switch by moving it to one of the switches on my throttle.
Being able to use the POV1.Up in AL would be great so we can use all three positions of this switch as well.…I use TMS left for IFF… but maybe i’m off a bit.
That’s used to start the IFF scan. The IFF button on the ICP is used to enter the IFF page on the DED. And if you fly against other F-16, that are also IFF equipped, them you would probably go there and push some buttons.
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@Razor161 sorry, but in BMS, it is the ‘BMS - Auto’ file that is being selected every time. I do know that AL is editing ‘BMS - Full’ (read my post again)
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@Pegasus82
My BMS - Full.key file was modified on April 12 2022 (like all the others that come with BMS 4.36)
The only key file that has a different modification date is BMS - Auto.key.
AL is doing fine with the key files.
I guess you’re not using the latest version of AL (v2.1.0) or have other things that mess with your key files. -
@Razor161 Thanks
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@chihirobelmo Yes, it looks like this and works fine.
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@Pegasus82 said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
I am having an odd problem. When I Launch BMS 4.36 from Alternative Launcher v2.1.0 I have BMS - Auto as the keyfile selected in game.
If I am making edits to the keyfile in AL it is actually editing BMS - Full but I still get BMS - Auto in BMS.
If I select BMS - Full in Setup - Controllers in BMS and Apply and OK, then Exit BMS and relaunch from AL it is back to BMS - Auto again.
@chihirobelmo any ideas here?
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@chihirobelmo said in Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher (Easy Setup, Keep Joystick Assignments):
How to install Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher? Make a backup of the stock Falcon BMS 4.33 U1\Bin\x86\Hub.exe before installing it. Download Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher, unzip the file and extract all of the included files to Falcon BMS 4.33 U1\Bin\x86, overwrite Hub.exe. Next time you launch BMS, Falcon BMS Alternative Launcher will be launched instead of the stock launcher.
Installing the new launcher after the clean installation of BMS is the most secure way to use this app.
EDIT: I just have found Just after the fresh install of BMS it does not have registry information like current selected theater or logbook, so if someone is first to install BMS and want to install my app. He or she has to launch BMS via stock launcher once, then install the app.Are these instructions still legit? The download gives me a setup.msi file, there is no zip file to unzip.