Sukhoi Su-27/Su-33/Su-35/Su-30 Shenyang J-11/J-15
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in bms world,nothing is impossible
if you know how to use editor and BmsRack.dat
the F-16 can also launch russia missile
I’m with you, Radium
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Well you’ll never be able to please anyone anyway, but there’s no need to anyway. I voiced an opinion here, that is mine and other people may disagree. No bad intentions from my side. I admire your work.
Solutions are available to that particular problem. From zeroing out these weapons in squadron stores, or creating a separate Su-27 with custom weapon loadout. Would just be odd to see Chinese Su-27s in KTO suddenly using JDAM or HARM.
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@Radium I am totally agree with Radium’s idea of adding the AGM-88 HARM to the Su-27S since we have recently seen that its integration has been possible. In my opinion, anything that means giving BMS more realism should be welcome
I don’t know which is the limit of aircraft that the BMS DB can support, but one option to consider would be to create two different entries for the Su-27S Flanker-B, a Russian version with the russian textures and its weapons configuration and another Ukrainian version with the HARM.
Another modification that would have to be made to both the Su-27S Flanker-B and the Su-27UB Flanker-C of the BMS DB is to remove the AA-12 Adder option from the Loadout, because these versions do not have it integrated in real life, since it is not compatible with the Slot Back II (N-001) radar. It would be great to have the Su-27SM/SM3 Flanker-J in the DB, which with the modified Slot Back II (N-001V) radar can use the AA-12 ADDER active guided missile. About Su-27SM and SM3, they are very similar externally to Su-27S. The differences are:
-SM and SM3 don’t have ECM antennas in the intakes.
-IRST is in the right side in both of them.
-SM3 has two dorsal antennas and 3 hard points per wing. (S and SM only have one dorsal antenna and 2 hard points per wing). -
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@Radium this is a Su-27P Flanker-B. (Standard version but without air-to-ground weapons control system and wiring and assigned to Soviet Air Defence Forces units.)
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@Dardo_01 Hi, so, it was very wise to select this late livery too !
This is why I hate NATO reporting names :
Su-27S, Su-27P, Su-27PD and Su-27SK are all “Flanker-B”.
Radium
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
@Dardo_01 Hi, so, it was very wise to select this late livery too !
This is why I hate NATO reporting names :
Su-27S, Su-27P, Su-27PD and Su-27SK are all “Flanker-B”.
Radium
In my opinion, you have chosen one of the most beautiful Russian liveries for Flanker-B. Are you going to share a paint kit? I would like to do a livery for a Su-27S of the actual Russian Naval Aviation.
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
There is something that I will never understand in this world : people who always look for issues. Please remember :
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When I did J-20 people said that it was such a bad idea because BMS wasn’t a gen 5 fighter aircraft simulator. Now you have a decent J-20 ingame.
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When I did MQ-9 people told me that it was impossible and that BMS wasn’t ready for this. We have now a realistic MQ-9 ingame.
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When I did Su-35 people told me how bad idea it was. Now I see plenty of nice videos on YouTube of people enjoying dogfighting with it.
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when I did FCK-1 people complained that I shouldn’t be allowed to integrate it in the DB. Now many Taiwanese people are happy to fly her and many people discovered this powerful little fighter.
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When I did Kuznetsov people told me that it was impossible to have a ski jump. We made it with Mav-JP.
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Before we released basket refuel, many told us that it was impossible blah blah blah. Mav-JP and I proved that it is possible and we found the solutions to make it, together.
I would have so much more examples like this one.
So, to sum-up : I was educated to go forward, to push the limits, always. Some people will be bothered by it, I am sorry, I do not want to change this.
And, there will be an AGM-88 capable Su-27 in KTO DB.
Cheers,
Radium
You have the other side to support you, always
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
@Dardo_01 Hi, so, it was very wise to select this late livery too !
This is why I hate NATO reporting names :
Su-27S, Su-27P, Su-27PD and Su-27SK are all “Flanker-B”.
Radium
Well the P is actually an S stripped of its AG capabilities, this was done from 1989 onwards for the PVO aircraft only. The PD was a one of experimental aircraft fitted with a refuelling probe and eventually delivered the test pilots aerobatics team and renamed to Su-27RV in the process. The SK is the slightly degraded export version of the S.
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@Scorpion82 said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
@Dardo_01 Hi, so, it was very wise to select this late livery too !
This is why I hate NATO reporting names :
Su-27S, Su-27P, Su-27PD and Su-27SK are all “Flanker-B”.
Radium
Well the P is actually an S stripped of its AG capabilities, this was done from 1989 onwards for the PVO aircraft only. The PD was a one of experimental aircraft fitted with a refuelling probe and eventually delivered the test pilots aerobatics team and renamed to Su-27RV in the process. The SK is the slightly degraded export version of the S.
And all of them are Flanker-B because are identical externally
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@Dardo_01 And this is the problem with NATO reporting names : it qualifies physical appearance, and not internal capacities…
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
@Dardo_01 And this is the problem with NATO reporting names : it qualifies physical appearance, and not internal capacities…
let us remember that before the collapse of the socialist camp there was very little or almost no information about the aviation of the soviet union, a halo of mystery and fables hung over it, the NATO designations are created based on what at that time the intelligence and satellite reconnaissance services could obtain, and of course, it was only possible to obtain exterior images of the aircraft.
the Soviets themselves have conflicts in the designation of names to different variants of a type of aircraft. For example, I worked with the Mi-17 helicopter in my country, but nevertheless you go to Russia and ask for that model and they don’t know it because that was the name it was given for export, the same is the case with the Mig-23 bn Well, have you heard of him? Not clear, we all know it as the Mig-27, the same thing also happens with the Mi-24 with the export name Mi-35 around here.
You could still get on an An-24 rv and it had the cockpit instrumentation in one way and in black color and you would walk 100 meters down you would get on another An-24 rv and it had the cockpit instrumentation in a different way and in another color, there is no delimitation that if block such number or lot such number. and you looked in the technical documentation of the aircraft and they were made in the same plant the same year.
Even today after 91 Russian aircraft designations become even more confusing with more letters to designate some kind of purpose.
many of the different variants that we see of Su-27 are nothing more than old cells (airframe) from when the cold war, with some kind of modification between one variant and another as we have seen, but in itself there is no standard as in occident.
so NATO can only keep up with the trail that exists of the dozens of variants of the same aircraft model.
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@VIPER-0 +1
Development of Flanker family is kinda messy even for russian standard. Various versions were produced by three different plants. With exception of export model for China and India it was hard to say there was even a serial production of those planes before 2010.
For years there was just a few made in wildly different cofigurations, to be able to show something at airshows in hope to find any buyer. -
@VIPER-0 I do not agree !
Mi-24 and Mi35 are totally different helicopters. It’s the same for Mig-23 and Mig-27 : different fighter aircraft and some cases, such Mig-23 and Mig-27 were jointly used : one for air defense and the other one for ground attack.
I understand that NATO reporting names were useful during Cold War. But Cold War is over and everything is know about Russia material, so much showcased everywhere.
So I think that NATO reporting names shall only be subsidiary, when. no name is known (almost non existing cases now).
Last but not least, talking about confusing names, calling a Su-34 « Flanker » is not more accurate than calling « Prowler » an « Intruder ».
Cheers,
Radium
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
@VIPER-0 I do not agree !
Mi-24 and Mi35 are totally different helicopters. It’s the same for Mig-23 and Mig-27 : different fighter aircraft and some cases, such Mig-23 and Mig-27 were jointly used : one for air defense and the other one for ground attack.
I understand that NATO reporting names were useful during Cold War. But Cold War is over and everything is know about Russia material, so much showcased everywhere.
So I think that NATO reporting names shall only be subsidiary, when. no name is known (almost non existing cases now).
Last but not least, talking about confusing names, calling a Su-34 « Flanker » is not more accurate than calling « Prowler » an « Intruder ».
Cheers,
Radium
in the case of the mi24 and the 35 they are not so different. at least those that I touch in my particular case. electro power systems, avionics, hydraulic navigation and others were exactly the same. When the mi24 was discontinued, many add-ons and components were stored to be exploited in even the mi35. The only thing I do remember was that the mi35 could fire the PTUR missile and R-60 type air-to-air missiles were adapted to it. In the case of the mig-23 BN, pay attention to the BN, it is the variant that was exploited in the Soviet Union and ended up in the Caribbean. but what was normally exported was the mig-27 variant. I have never seen one but according to what my colleagues who went to the Angolan conflict told me, most of the units were interchangeable between the 27 Angolans and the Cuban BN. It is still an opinion based on my experience and particular case.
maybe in other air forces it was completely different. I can only comment on what I touched and I saw what else I can say is pure gossip.
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@VIPER-0 Contrary to Mi-24, Mi-35 is so different. Fully new rotor new KNEI-24, mission system, new avionics, new weapon system, night combat capable, GOES-342.10 EOS…
For Mig 27, it was in fact poorly exported. USSR, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Ukraine, Belarus and India.
Mig-23 was exported in all those countries above, except Afghanistan.
Radium
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@Dardo_01 do you have reference pictures ? I only have one and not so different with regular ones. No, no paint kit !
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Hello everyone,
working on the second livery
For now, i just prepare everything to do the final job : camouflage painting.
Best regards,
Radium
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@Radium as usual, beautiful and quality work!
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@Radium yes, there are some Su-27 Flanker-B in service in 689th Fighter Aviation Regiment of Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad.
https://www.airliners.net/search?aircraftBasicType=12555&aircraftGenericType=12555&airline=47891&sortBy=dateAccepted&sortOrder=desc&perPage=36&display=detail
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1092463887570690051?t=erPZDi3PsepwvzzVVS4J7A&s=19