The future of BMS
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“DCS has much better graphics” …“BMS graphics suck” … “BMS is old…” bla bla bla…
Maybe something is wrong with my eye sight or so but to me there really isn’t anything wrong with the graphics in BMS 4.33?
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Sure, some of the models could be improved - like see the awesome work Radium has just done on the AH-1 Cobra!! But 3D models can be replaced and reskinned… but overall, I think it looks just fine really? Sure, DCS is prettier and I also own DCS A-10C and AV-8B as I like to get into those as well as to me, BMS is purely about the F-16C. Which is also one of my all time favorite fighters but that aside.
But of all the things I could have on my wish list for BMS… graphics really isn’t high on my list? Like I would much rather have extensible avionics so that it will be easier for people to create accurate avionics for other aircraft or models like the F-16A/B. That would for me have way more value than applying more lipstick. I’ve had the opportunity to fly in various military simulators, from fighters to boom pod refueling simulators… and generally, the graphics are on-par (or worse) with BMS, but certainly not way better. Prettier graphics do not make for a more accurate simulation.
BMS looks largely great up high…
However…now bring it down to the deck.
The biggest, most revolutionary change to BMS would be a new terrain engine, disposing of HiTiles.
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@Deathmaze:
The future of bms? Lmfao. You think as time passes and with dcs actually making the f16 and other planes fully functional that people will stick to a 20 year old game? Not saying its bad , but at its corrent state and age and with dcs having 1000 times better graphics and overall gameplaying experience , I don’t know who will actually keep falcon bms. It just got old. Graphics suck for 2018 and everyone needs to move on.
….from my perspective agree 100 % with this comment !!!
As far as DCS (–> other Sims too I have, but mainly DCS) goes on it’s current road of development (involving all the upcoming features) BMS becomes more and more obsolet on my hard drive.
O Man, it’s graphics really sucks; I must confess that I can’t play this game if not modded with SweetFX or something like that first. Now I found the right setting, but as stated before: For my needs it becomes more and more boring comparing to all the other sims out there !
We are luckily to live in a " Golden Age " of flight simming comparing to all the years before. And some decent (payware) companies out there seem to be determined to push the limits of their products beyond of current boundaries more and more.
Comparing to them the recent epoch of Falcon seems to be in a subsistence of hibernation.
All the best
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well the level of graphics in BMS is super fine. Instead of evolving the details of models and gfx engine in general better improve the tools that import and manipulate those gfx… models textures etc.
If those were easier to handle we would be rubbing our eyes right now.So if we will remain on the same tools and procedures thanx I’ll pass on gfx upgrade… it will be sadomasochistic for creators and developers just cause.
Sure dcs looks nice but doesn’t even have to calculate as much as Falcon does which as we set the bar are crucial for us users and developers.
so if we feed it to bring it to it’s knees with gfx there is no point.maybe a 10% up on gfx details and a 10% better performance from optimization would be nice but the effort will be enormous just for gfx…
sure the optimization is needed to keep hw specs as low and for adding newer demanding features in the platform.Hi Arty,
I think that when people want better GFX, they are not necessarily talking about the eye candy. Does BMS need a new GFX engine, well… yes, and not specifically for the eye candy. DX11.2 offers those tools you mention that bring the atmosphere closer to reality. Sure, more objects and model improvements, but the weathering effects and occlusion tools in DX 11.2 are vastly superior to DX 9.0c. Thus making modeling easier and more life like. Just pointing out that I think the more GFX tools you have on hand, the better approach you can have when dealing with model complexity and integration. Photo terrain and realistic cities look fantastic, but require a hard GFX engine to run them. I do think BMS will eventually (some day) have to move forward with integrating a new GFX engine at some point. I look at REX and other add’ons for other simulations and wonder if maybe BMS could port anything like this over. Don’t know if it would be worth it, but using 3rd party software could take a lot of work off your hands. Just don’t know. But a new GFX engine would provide tools for reaching many of the goals BMS is aspiring for. The advantages are clear.
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For the normal play style (At altitude, looking at models, focused on the AA stuff), you are correct: the graphics are great. Low level terrain detail, CAS operations, building details, quite a few of the non-flyable aircraft, and ground vehicle models is where it needs some work. I think most (myself included) who comment on the need for a graphics update are taking a holistic approach and examining every aspect, not just looking at a nice model of an F-16 at 25k feet. Regardless, IMO, the graphics update is not necessarily for “graphics” per se, at least not in the traditional sense of what looks pretty on the screen. It’s about performance, enhancements certain effects within that performance, ability to develop and enable new effects and features, etc… Nobody would say the primary models for the fly-ables don’t look good, that would just be false.
I will. I’ve been out of the country since January, and I’m not scheduled to be back until late this year. Unfortunately my GF was trying to be helpful and shut down everything she could at the house to save power before she came out to meet me for the summer, so I’m kind of cutoff from accessing anything for a while. On the bright side, there isn’t that much more to do once I get back. Mostly UI stuff. I haven’t done a full slew of tests on the model tools yet, but from the initial/early tests I did, everything seems to be working as desired. The last thing I did before I left was combine 4 models into 1 250k poly model and load it into the editor. Took a little time, but it loaded. So as far as I can tell, if your rig can handle it (IE The Falcon Engine on your rig), there should no longer be any issues with >100k poly LODs.
Since I haven’t been able to work on the main tool while I’m here, I’ve been working on some other features. Currently developing a tool to search LODs for inefficiencies and reorder nodes to increase load times and vRAM seek times. Looks promising, but I only have 7 LODs on my laptop to play with, so it’s hard to tell how effective it will be across the full spectrum.
EDIT: Also been toying with the idea of a “Drag and Drop” style editor for objectives and airbases. I haven’t started working on it yet, but it’s definitely something I’m considering.
As previously mentioned…. SPOT ON!!!
GFX update would be used to enhance the atmosphere and provide better GFX tools to use., not necessarily the eye candy (although that would be great too).
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O Man, it’s graphics really sucks; I must confess that I can’t play this game if not modded with SweetFX or something like that first. Now I found the right setting, but as stated before: For my needs it becomes more and more boring comparing to all the other sims out there !
If you need pretty graphics and SweetFX to make the “game” playable, you’ve obvioulsy missed what BMS is about. It’s a flight simulator for ****s sake! I could elaborate, but I sincerely believe I’d be wasting my time and no doubt yours.
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O Man, it’s graphics really sucks; I must confess that I can’t play this game if not modded with SweetFX or something like that first.One more time …
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The future of BMS, to rearm an F-16 in a solo or multy mission. If possible a simulation of a rearm, not a realistic rearmament which lasts 1 hour or more.;)
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Well guys we have talked about all this and what we actually do is educate the youngest members that read all those for the first time.
A new gfx engine could take what? 10 years or more?
All theaters from scratch.
99% of models from scratch…
Sure we all want it, but…Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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The future of BMS, to rearm an F-16 in a solo or multy mission. If possible a simulation of a rearm, not a realistic rearmament which lasts 1 hour or more.;)
What makes it so easy to turn around an attack helo regarding rearming, but a fast jet in comparison must take so much time?
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The future of BMS, to rearm an F-16 in a solo or multy mission. If possible a simulation of a rearm, not a realistic rearmament which lasts 1 hour or more.;)
You should leave BMS buddy. You will not be happy with it. Why not DCS? … much better … lot of objects on the ground. Plenty of buildings, everywhere. AND YESSSS … under DCS you can rearm the same time you refuel. IMHO, your future there : https://forums.eagle.ru/
… please.
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In real yes for a lot of time, in simulation 10 or 15 minutes.:)
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You should leave BMS buddy. You will not be happy with it. Why not DCS? … much better … lot of objects on the ground. Plenty of buildings, everywhere. AND YESSSS … under DCS you can rearm the same time you refuel. IMHO, your future there : https://forums.eagle.ru/
… please.
Ok in 10 years to rearm an F-16 in BMS, as for the Dx11 or Dx12.:yo:
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Ok in 10 years to rearm an F-16 in BMS,
Not even in one century buddy. As Sting would say: “rearm is for pussies” LOL
as for the Dx11 or Dx12.
Yeah … But by then we have finished the portage into DX12, computer OS will be Windows20 (or iOS 69.666) soft will run on DX24 and you will not longer have a top notch computer because ED would have sucked all your money.
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Not even in one century buddy. As Sting would say: “rearm is for pussies” LOL
The new generation will do it because Dee-Jay is not eternal, so in 10 or 20 years. Dee-Jay will not be able to enjoy it.;)
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The new generation will do it because Dee-Jay is not eternal, so in 10 or 20 years. Dee-Jay will not be able to enjoy it.;)
Your’re right mate … I will be dead, shot down on a real life mission, died of old age, or died laughing by reading some posts from you kid.
Well, rather than blabbing here, I’m going back to working on the development so that you can spit on it as you are used to (while enjoying it anyway … for free.) when the new version will be released “in three - four weeks”.Cheers!
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This is what will kill BMS, the over reaction to nonsense post by normal mature members.
Turning this into a DCS bashing thread.
Letting this run for over 10 pages (93 posts).
And the jibberish posts by members who should be Flying or working rather then spending their time replying to every thread.
Realy people, get a life out side of this forum, and then you might enjoy Falcon 4.0 and what BMS and so many others have done to maintain their passion for the Flight sim we all have loved.
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This is what will kill BMS, the over reaction to nonsense post by normal mature members.
Shadow … we do not need a lesson in morality nor a lesson of maturity. But thank you.
You may consider the participation in this discussion just like a break after spending 15 hours on this funking editor to try to brings you something as clean as possible … again … for free. Nacy is a bit of my recreation. Did not I deserve the recreation of my choice? -
I’m going back to working on the development
Let the new generation do it with envy for rearm, because you will do it reluctantly.
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If you need pretty graphics and SweetFX to make the “game” playable, you’ve obvioulsy missed what BMS is about. It’s a flight simulator for ****s sake! I could elaborate, but I sincerely believe I’d be wasting my time and no doubt yours.
Obviously you just want to read what you want to read, like a frog in a wells who is not able to see beyond the borders of its fountain.
In its quintessence this sentence means: Allthough the ugliness of its graphics I am (was) willing to mess about with Falcon BMS and it’s high study level gameplay/manuals; and instead of giving it up or just complaining I was willing to improve its overall looks for my needs, which can help quite a loooot in immersion. Immersion is substantial !!! If not immersed a game player will not be really hooked up by the game.
If not hooked up and immersed it can become more and more difficult for someones drive and ambition to learn all this new stuff or to become really good in something whatsoever. Similar to life: If you can’t get hooked up by the girls appearance it can become very difficult to fall in love with her (in this particular case I know what taking about). This is common sense and a guy with 1.398 posts like you and joining this site since 7 years should know this fundamental pillars of a good Flightsim, Gameplay or whatsoever.
And YES: Falcon is a high study combat flight sim I’m not a moron. Basically it was not my intention to engage with it because of some arcadish feeling or because of its modest graphics, but because I’m a flightsim enthusiast, particular in combat sims.
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One more time …
.Cyrill (Dee-Jay): referencing to this silly youtube video you’ve disrespected me as a person, theres is a lot of cursing going on in this vid. So what :uham: ?
You know who I am: Once I’ve gifted you with a DCS Gazelle Module a couple of months ago.
While this gift stays unconditional as I stated in my last message to you, I’ve recognized in the last months on this forum that you are not only a nice guy, but a quite arrogant BMS developer as well.
And because of this arrogance coming out off your nose and ears you are not really willingly to listen to users needs; mainly just defending and spreading your own approaches.
Just want to recall a quotation Red Dog made in the DCS Forum a couple of weeks ago during the DCS/FA-18C Hornet bashing, where you’ve been involved too: retourne à ta porte ! .
PS: Don’t worry guys, it is my last post on BMS forum (and likely my last visit too ). I will not criticize your " holy BMS cow " anymore or one or two BMS developer; it’s certainly a waste of time! One last advice: Make Falcon BMS a payware .
Arty is completely right with this picture: Falcon BMS WILL NEVER BECOME a real diamond without needs of serious pressure; maybe an emerald but not a diamond for sure if developing approach is going on the current way and pace.