4.34 - IDM principles of operation
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100% I agree, but in this case its more like if the horse cart is the only tool you had, most folks couldnt figure out how to get into town… you dont have mutual support if all you have is a vague idea of where the DL says your wingman is.
DL is useful for heaps of things, but if you use it primarily to figure out where #3 is, then you dont have the basic building blocks you need to employ safely anyway.
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One day, I’ll grow a very big beard. I think I’ll be able to turn avionics off.
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Real pilots on missions do have that arty… That’s what the MIDS LVT provides.
But it’s not necessary, I agree. You don’t need datalink to find your wingman, or flight lead - some folks could stand to use a formation refresher, perhaps.
Hmmmm in a comao there are and mixed airframes. So m2k a7 and F4 have what u say?
I dont think so. Doesnt that depends on the upgrade and electronics they have? Maybe m2k has it.
So the gizmo is out of the equation.
We might have it in bms but not in real.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T818A using Tapatalk
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we dont have the MIDS LVT in BMS at all Arty, try to keep up!
Ive never flown a comao with m2ks, a7s or f4s… but sure, all depends on the updates for the aircraft. The SLUF is retired, the phantom is retired, so neither is likely to get those updates now… As for the Mirage, I do not think most Mirage 2000 variants have Link 16 capability.
So Ill clarify - USAF F-16 pilots flying the CMs (CCIP) have all got Link 16 and see each other’s PPLIs on their various displays. Its an SA tool. However, what I was pointing out is that its not a “find your wingman” tool - they learn to do that without relying on the DL as a crutch, unlike in BMS where many new pilots never learn how to use anything other than the datalink for building situational awareness.
I confess I didnt know you flew the A7 in BMS, Arty. I should have clarified that when I was talking about real pilots, I was talking specifically about F-16 pilots, the real life counterpart for BMS, an F-16 simulator…
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I dont fly the a7 nor the f4 but they both exist in BMS and can be used for missions and u see them with idm.
We simulate as real as it gets. We r on the same page here.
So u cant have all as u might have in bms.
Same in bms u have the red side.do you have the same gizmos on red side?
Yeap i know its an f16 sim but that doesn’t mean you use f16 gizmos on all cases even if they are available.
Maybe the systems f16 configurator should be expanded to all airframes and have the ability to declare what’s available or not. Maybe it’s in the db, i dont know, and its a theater developer issue to set the correct data values.
A7 where retired a few months ago in greece and f4 are still in use.
They exist in IKAROS and emf.
And we used them even with f16 pit in some cases.And i dont know what mids lvt is.
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Fair cop regarding HAF still using F4s. The MIDS is the radio (modem) that provides the Link 16 functionality, as well as a couple other cool things.
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Fair cop regarding HAF still using F4s. The MIDS is the radio (modem) that provides the Link 16 functionality, as well as a couple other cool things.
The other cool thing being TACAN and that’s pretty much it
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Flying online with the new IDM model seems a big change from 4.33. Great addition!
For packages with 8 or less aircraft, no problem at all with this fantastic document.
However for packages with more aircraft, as posted above, we would appreciate a recommended setting to know what is the normal procedure to configure this IRL (maybe having one IDM in CONT hosted by the Mission Commander with the package leaders and element leaders?, maybe just using it on DMD?)In the case that in one UHF freq there were two or more leaders in IDM CONT, what would happen? We tested this on BMS online and somehow it worked but in a degraded quality (positions updated far more slower).
Thanks!
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Flying online with the new IDM model seems a big change from 4.33. Great addition!
For packages with 8 or less aircraft, no problem at all with this fantastic document.
However for packages with more aircraft, as posted above, we would appreciate a recommended setting to know what is the normal procedure to configure this IRL (maybe having one IDM in CONT hosted by the Mission Commander with the package leaders and element leaders?, maybe just using it on DMD?)In the case that in one UHF freq there were two or more leaders in IDM CONT, what would happen? We tested this on BMS online and somehow it worked but in a degraded quality (positions updated far more slower).
Thanks!
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Only one DL on one frequency, like UHF 298.750.
Package leader can host CONT for Flight Leads and his own flight in UHF.
Elements leaders can host CONT on VHF for their flight.
Flight leads can switch from U and V and listen.I imagined that but I prefer Gasman’s method: DMD only from anyone, flight leads having own flight and other leads, and wingmen only own flight. Anyway it will always be more complicated than. 33 if you want to rely on DL as much as you used to.
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Only one DL on one frequency, like UHF 298.750.
Package leader can host CONT for Flight Leads and his own flight in UHF.
Elements leaders can host CONT on VHF for their flight.
Flight leads can switch from U and V and listen.I imagined that but I prefer Gasman’s method: DMD only from anyone, flight leads having own flight and other leads, and wingmen only own flight. Anyway it will always be more complicated than. 33 if you want to rely on DL as much as you used to.
So reading this it is confirmed which did not naturally jumped into my eyes.
We did also extensive testing on our typical COMAO Setup
5 flights in one package with 2-4 planes per flight; 11 is the round owner; everyone has all leads on IDM#5-#8 and only ownship in #1-#4. If now IDM is started via UHF all leads are visible to each other, within the first flight everyone is visible to each other, BUT in all other flights only the wingmen can see their leads but not vice-versa. Reading all info I got is that the wingmen actually sort of “hack in” to the signal and can visualize the signals as they are on the same UHF frequency and share a common/ compatible IDM Setup. Unfortunately, the leads do not see their wingmen.
So what is the consolidated answer? UHF/ VHF with nb 1/3? What if there is no nb3? Forget about DL at all? Fall back on VHF only AA DL and from time to time DMD on UHF?
Could someone confirm the behaviour stated above as correct?
Thanks,
stingray