Datalink and AI
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Hi, I have been experimenting a little with datalink in single player. Am I right to say that in single player, datalink isn’t useful except for IFF OUT with DMD/ASGN/CONT (so that I am able to see positions of my datalink group members on my HSD/FCR) ?
I don’t see AI using or sending datalink targets to me. So I presume they do not use or respond to datalink. There is a radio menu command “Datalink Ground Tgt” to “Request for the wingman to send a datalink of its AG FCR cursor if possible”. But I assume that is for human players to respond to?
Thanks
Update - Single Player (AI flight members):
- IFF OUT (DMD/ASGN/CONT) works with AI as intended (requires UHF Tactical frequency preset 6 for flight)
- Request “Datalink Ground Target” works with AI wingmen as intended (you need to be flight lead or element lead and have a wingman)
- IFF IN for A-G FCR (cursor *) / HSD (markpoint X) and XMT do not apply to AI as they will not receive nor respond
- AI will not use Datalink to send player A-A target XMT assignment, A-G FCR cursor (*) or HSD markpoint (large X), with the exception of “Datalink Ground Target”
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No, this is for AI. You must be on the package uniform frequency, and it must have a target.
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Very useful in A-G I you command Attack targets first and then request sending ground target. In 5hat way you see which target has been chosen by the AI
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I just used it today (single player) when the SP guns battalion wasn’t where it was shown before mission start. I couldn’t find any targets and was ready to RTB when my wing asked permission to engage. I responded Weapons Free and asked for Data Link ground targets. Sure enough, there they all are lined up for a six pack of MK-20s. Almost all destroyed between me an my wing. I think it works great
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what does the pilot in the real aircraft do to send the data, or how would that happen in mutliplayer.
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what does the pilot in the real aircraft do to send the data, or how would that happen in mutliplayer.
We use A-G DL very often in our MP mission. In 90% of the cases we don’t send SPI cursor data but create a Markpoint from the SPI and DL the Markpoint. SPI cursor data will only show up for 8 seconds on the receiving end. Markpoint are a) Permanent and b) by changing the broadcast address can be sent to anyone in the package
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We use A-G DL very often in our MP mission. In 90% of the cases we don’t send SPI cursor data but create a Markpoint from the SPI and DL the Markpoint. SPI cursor data will only show up for 8 seconds on the receiving end. Markpoint are a) Permanent and b) by changing the broadcast address can be sent to anyone in the package
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how do you do the actual sending of the Markpoint?
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how do you do the actual sending of the Markpoint?
Which you send depends on FCR or HSD SOI.
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Ok, in single player, I can see how IFF OUT and “datalink ground target” can be used with AI. I’ve tried it.
But can one use IFF IN with AI? Like if I send my AI wing my A2G FCR cursor position and issue “attack my target” or “attack targets”, without a lock, would they attack?
Also, if I XMT to say 2 my designated target in A2A FCR, what can I expect my AI wing to do? Will he automatically go after the target?
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No, AMT is “attack the thing I’m looking at”. Falcon uses different sensors determine what “the thing I’m looking at” is. There’s even an air-to-ground padlock with its red box and that counts as TTILA. With FCR just putting the cursor over something counts. But sending a DL object doesn’t because it’s in the past. TTILA is only right now.
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No, AMT is “attack the thing I’m looking at”. Falcon uses different sensors determine what “the thing I’m looking at” is. There’s even an air-to-ground padlock with its red box and that counts as TTILA. With FCR just putting the cursor over something counts. But sending a DL object doesn’t because it’s in the past. TTILA is only right now.
So IFF IN to send a DL target to AI is pointless and doesn’t do anything? I only do SP and am trying to decide if I should map IFF IN in my hotas.
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Yeah I suppose comms switch right has no relevance to you in SP.
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Yeah I suppose comms switch right has no relevance to you in SP.
If I am lead in a flight, XMT is useless in SP too right? Or can an AI lead actually XMT to me a target?
Update: See OP.
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@GrEaSeLiTeNiN AI can datalink you ground SPI. You can’t ask AI #1 to do that because you don’t have the ability to command him. He’s your commander, not you his. If you’re his commander you can demand it of him. Right now he does the ephemeral FCR-SOI type datalink point which is the asterisk on the display that goes away in a little while not the HSD-SOI persistent steerpoint.
You can transmit to AI but it doesn’t do anything in the AG context. I’m pretty sure the AA context assign 1-2-3-4 buttons will cause the AI to attack that DL assignment but I’m not 100% sure. You can use the radio “attack my target” just by slewing a sensor over a target. This command represents communicating in normal plain language what you want him to attack and isn’t electronic in nature. You can even do it with padlock if anyone still uses that.
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@Frederf said in Datalink and AI:
@GrEaSeLiTeNiN AI can datalink you ground SPI. You can’t ask AI #1 to do that because you don’t have the ability to command him. He’s your commander, not you his. If you’re his commander you can demand it of him. Right now he does the ephemeral FCR-SOI type datalink point which is the asterisk on the display that goes away in a little while not the HSD-SOI persistent steerpoint.
You can transmit to AI but it doesn’t do anything in the AG context. I’m pretty sure the AA context assign 1-2-3-4 buttons will cause the AI to attack that DL assignment but I’m not 100% sure. You can use the radio “attack my target” just by slewing a sensor over a target. This command represents communicating in normal plain language what you want him to attack and isn’t electronic in nature. You can even do it with padlock if anyone still uses that.
Thanks for the tips. Just tested (4.37U2) - XMT to AI wingmen (when you are lead with preset UHF 6) still does not do anything. Would be cool if it did. Was just thinking - if the AI wingmen could respond with the slew cursor over FCR target + radio comms method, could it not be coded to also work with XMT 1,2,3 ?
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@Frederf said in Datalink and AI:
You can transmit to AI but it doesn’t do anything in the AG context. I’m pretty sure the AA context assign 1-2-3-4 buttons will cause the AI to attack that DL assignment but I’m not 100% sure. You can use the radio “attack my target” just by slewing a sensor over a target. This command represents communicating in normal plain language what you want him to attack and isn’t electronic in nature. You can even do it with padlock if anyone still uses that.
Yes, 1-2-3-4 are only for in AA context , but… I’m not sure how exactly is used …
AI wingmen will target given air target but it will drop it after few seconds… why???
Any ideas?Attack my target, Attack targets, Weapons free AG - are for AG context., when radar/tgp cursor over general enemy area , just watch out what are you targeting , units or buildings.
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I may have remembered old behavior or if bad memory. I thought that IDM assignment was an explicit “attack my target” command. Currently it is not doing that. I will check if it has any effect on AI target choice if more than one is available.
Attack my target/targets are also for AA context.