Detecting missiles & shooting it down?
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I’m new here, and I want to start by thanking the BMS developers for a fantastic game. I’ve never seen anything like this before. Very impressive!
Well, I have some questions about 4.36:
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Is it possible to detect missiles (A-A, cruise missiles) on FCR? And are there ways to shoot it down?
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Can modern SAMs detect and shoot down missiles?
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Finally, can ships defend themselves against ASMs?
Thanks in advance!
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@Supernova in short
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- yes
- yes
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@Le_Beau Thank you for the reply!
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@Supernova if u flying in DCS yes it’s possible to detect missiles and shoot it down…in real life or bms no
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@sheref Ah , no mate. You really CAN detect cruise missiles , anti-ship missiles and shoot it down in RL.
Of course, they are really small targets so need to be kinda fast and close, but , eg. slow (subsonic) anti-ship cruise missile, (agm-84, tomahawk)… you can blast it out of sky with amraam/sidewinder/gun just nice. - why… you’re faster then them.
That was originally an idea since F-14 … of course bomber first, then “leakers” .
But launching parameters are really a bitch on missiles, especially supersonic… almost none - very small launching window - and only front quarters, intercept … from rear , would need to be right behind it , matter of seconds.
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@white_fang yep but not the AA missiles
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@sheref Ah … that is hard NO… but why would you want to do it anyway?
It is much easier to spoof them and render them harmless - out in big blue sky , they’ll fell to the ground anyway eventually, or blow themselves up - selfdestroy., when out of fuel.
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The ability to shoot down missiles in the BMS would be more for fun than for real use, I guess.
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@Supernova It won’t be fun if you get hit by a dozen of DPRK ballistic missiles at one of the ROK airfields…
I think drones and missiles currently account for 70% of SAM targets. Not in BMS of course.
@sheref Practically, you can at least detect missiles and theoretically shoot them down, especially if they are the size of, say, SA-5 missiles. In real life, the only way to detect an SA-5 launch is through AWACS.
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@Foxtrot701 I was talking about aircraft when I meant the uselessness of shooting down missiles. And it is very unlikely that the F-16 can shoot down a ballistic missile… We have Patriots for that, right?
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@Supernova only SA-11/17 and SA-10 in BMS are capable of shooting down HARMs, nothing more. Patriots are defenseless against any ordnance. Also, harpoons can be downed by ships, but not by their CIWS. That’s all about anti-missiles capabilities in BMS AFAIK.
Essentially surface 2 air missiles are the same metal bags as other air targets, so it will be nice to see some of them on the radar. This is what I’m talking about.
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@Foxtrot701 Uuuh… Good Luck catching SAM on radar from 1980’s.
You’ve opened a different can of worms.
Give it a thought first , then read some… Working principles of radar.
Start here. - then continue to a much smaller radar / much smaller target. -
@white_fang ugh, no need to explain me that…
As I mentioned above, the SA-5 SAM is a large missile that flies high and fast. It is very close to a small aircraft in terms of RCS. Just a small example.
I’m not just talking about the F-16 FCR vs SAM, but the whole picture which includes the OPs other questions.
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@white_fang said in Detecting missiles & shooting it down?:
@Foxtrot701 Uuuh… Good Luck catching SAM on radar from 1980’s.
You’ve opened a different can of worms.
Give it a thought first , then read some… Working principles of radar.
Start here. - then continue to a much smaller radar / much smaller target.About basics of radars.
About SAM radars and SAMs.
Soon will be a video about stealth and radar eq. to help to understand better radars. Some time in the future also will be explained the lobe forming and lobe size of the radars by their design. Also their sweep time will have some comments.
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@white_fang said in Detecting missiles & shooting it down?:
@sheref Ah , no mate. You really CAN detect cruise missiles , anti-ship missiles and shoot it down in RL.
Of course, they are really small targets so need to be kinda fast and close, but , eg. slow (subsonic) anti-ship cruise missile, (agm-84, tomahawk)… you can blast it out of sky with amraam/sidewinder/gun just nice. - why… you’re faster then them.
That was originally an idea since F-14 … of course bomber first, then “leakers” .
But launching parameters are really a bitch on missiles, especially supersonic… almost none - very small launching window - and only front quarters, intercept … from rear , would need to be right behind it , matter of seconds.
Flak barrage? Definitely not economical but my guess it’s doable. Even the kinzhal missile could be stopped this way, right.
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Sounds like land-launched AMRAAMs (NASAMS) are being deployed to Ukraine, with targeting from MPQ-64 Sentinel system. So we’ll all have a lot of hard data soon, re how they do against Kaliber cruise missiles.
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@bbostjan said in Detecting missiles & shooting it down?:
@white_fang said in Detecting missiles & shooting it down?:
@sheref Ah , no mate. You really CAN detect cruise missiles , anti-ship missiles and shoot it down in RL.
Of course, they are really small targets so need to be kinda fast and close, but , eg. slow (subsonic) anti-ship cruise missile, (agm-84, tomahawk)… you can blast it out of sky with amraam/sidewinder/gun just nice. - why… you’re faster then them.
That was originally an idea since F-14 … of course bomber first, then “leakers” .
But launching parameters are really a bitch on missiles, especially supersonic… almost none - very small launching window - and only front quarters, intercept … from rear , would need to be right behind it , matter of seconds.
> Flak barrage? Definitely not economical but my guess it’s doable. Even the kinzhal missile could be stopped this way, right.
No, and no.
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@Aragorn said in Detecting missiles & shooting it down?:
@molnibalage said:
No, and no.
By this, do you mean “yes”…?
Yes. No or no means no, no and no means yes.
No?
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@LorikEolmin That’s a hard “maybe”.