Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability
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Currently i use the AGM-65G to destroy enemy warships (Kirov / Sovremenny).
It take minimum of 5 missiles to achieve this.
This method force my package to get very close
to the ships (less then 10nm miles) which is very dangerous, this ships have good AD.Is this the best weapon to use or there is a better one, emphasis on release distance from ships ?
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@regev said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
Currently i use the AGM-65G to destroy enemy warships (Kirov / Sovremenny).
It take minimum of 5 missiles to achieve this.
This method force my package to get very close
to the ships (less then 10nm miles) which is very dangerous, this ships have good AD.Is this the best weapon to use or there is a better one, emphasis on release distance from ships ?
Are they using SAM or CIWS against AGM-65?
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It depends.
If it’s stationary, a JSOW or maybe even a JASSM would be more suited in terms of distance.
If it’s moving, the AGM-65G seems to be your best shot, unless you take one of the export F-16s that can carry the Harpoon.
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@molnibalage said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
Are they using SAM or CIWS against AGM-65?
No, not against the -65.
but they shoot at me and my package members.Sometime when luck is on my side, those ships are "exhausted " and not shoot at me so my attack goes smoothly.
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@razo said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
It depends.
If it’s stationary, a JSOW or maybe even a JASSM would be more suited in terms of distance.
If it’s moving, the AGM-65G seems to be your best shot, unless you take one of the export F-16s that can carry the Harpoon.
JSOW -Those ships, you never know if they are on the move or stationary when you start the mission.
So when i get to target area and if the ships are moving i can not hit them, returns home with the weapons unused, mission failed.JASSM - I fly the F-16CM-50 as it is my favorite, no JASSM capability.
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Or, are the US F16 good assets for naval warfare.
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I used GBU-12 against OSA II class and it works
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@LorikEolmin said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
Or, are the US F16 good assets for naval warfare.
Its the weapon that counts, and the HARPOON is exactly for this job.
As others said, some F-16 variants use this weapon.Generally I get good results with the multiple AGM-65G attack approach, but getting so close to those ships is very tense & dangerous . . . on some of those missions i get to enjoy the coolness of the sea `-)
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@alfagolf said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
I used GBU-12 against OSA II class and it works
AGM-65 is better choice :
- release is from better distance from ship.
- no need to stay over target until impact.
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@regev said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
@LorikEolmin said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
Or, are the US F16 good assets for naval warfare.
Its the weapon that counts, and the HARPOON is exactly for this job.
As others said, some F-16 variants use this weapon.Generally I get good results with the multiple AGM-65G attack approach, but getting so close to those ships is very tense & dangerous . . . on some of those missions i get to enjoy the coolness of the sea `-)
Exactly, not US F16.
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Come to think about it… Has anyone tried harms? Since ships are basically search radar and fcr in one.
Like the harpoon it will probably not survive against any capable ship, but saturation of many might do the job
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@regev - the AGM-65G is not optimized for shooting ships…the AGM-65F is. However, by the time you get close enough to a ship of size to be able to employ either of them, you should be getting shot down…
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@regev Witch Theater are we talking about? I could try to move a Norwegian Squadron there and try out the Pingvin (AGM-119) and give you a report.
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@Stevie I tried to use AGM-65F but it’s not available for Block 40/50
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@regev said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
Currently i use the AGM-65G to destroy enemy warships (Kirov / Sovremenny).
It take minimum of 5 missiles to achieve this.
This method force my package to get very close
to the ships (less then 10nm miles) which is very dangerous, this ships have good AD.Is this the best weapon to use or there is a better one, emphasis on release distance from ships ?
I use the AGM-65D, approach the sea at an altitude of 25-30 and fire all 6 missiles. SAM-10 is useless. The guards of the aircraft carrier sink well.
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@alfagolf - that’s a shame…either should be able to be mounted wherever you can load a MAV.
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@Stevie From Wikipedia: “Maverick F, designed specially for United States Navy, it uses a modified Maverick D infrared guidance system optimized for tracking ships fitted onto a Maverick-E body and warhead” so probably it’s not available for USAF aircraft, but I’m not an expert
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@alfagolf - Yes, I don’t think the USAF ever bought the MAVF, and the Navy/USMC never bought the MAVG. But I do know from being involved in the live firing of a number of RL MAV types that there is no reason for them not to be interchangeable on any station that will support any flavor of MAV.
So for BMS purposes, allowances could be made…it’s just that the seekers behave a bit differently.
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“The AGM-65G has a ground-selectable LAND/SHIP switch which allows the missile to use different algorithms in order to bias the aiming point to cause the greatest damage.”
It’s behind a little door on the missile. I don’t know if the F is superior compared to a ship-configured G but the G does have a ship mode.
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@Frederf - I’ve never heard that, and the F certainly doesn’t have that feature, but if it’s true of the G it’s great! Of course, once you make your selection on deck you are/would be caged to that target type.
The G is definitely better than the F for busting tanks and/or fixed land targets. The F on not a good choice for busting tanks and the LMAV is far superior for that.