PHANTOM PHOR EVER LODS :)
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Thanks I-Hawk!
Let me be more spscifically, I already granted my point on the models was wrong.
Gentlemen, Red Dog specifically:
I am not giving too much of an importance to the words credit and copyright as far as free and non profit mods and developments on sims and other gaming forums are concerned. (Personally, not out of lack of respect to modders but since I come from a forum where those credit and copyright claims have in the past redundantly spoiled a lot of the good manners and let to an intersite sh*tstorm with a bunch of ciminals even. We showed them the door and have very clear and precise rules on all these issues.)
Of course I give credit thankfully for mods I use or modify myself. That is just good manners. And so whatever mod from within FreeFalcon as example gets ripped does not bother me emotionally any way in the direction of hurt ego.
What bothers me though is someone created something at this sim and his or their work will now be freely uploaded here at BMS. And on the benchmarksims forum, moderators and contributors are very sensitive on copyright, credits etc…not a few modders or contributors have already been banned, often without much hesitation.
That on the other hand FF content or skins in this case can be uploaded with no one giving a flying buttercake, that bothers and annoys me. It is double standard, ignorance at best.
I don’t vote for ANYONE getting punished, simply for some decency. A simple “skins by x,y,z-thank you” is all it takes here. And only since credits on this forum are mandatory. I did not even agree to the FF policy on copyright, but I strongly agree to fairness. And yes, the models are not in question.
Thanks btw for giving me so much flying fun after I already had abandoned BMS.Respectfully
Tom
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Again thanks for considering the skins part and now carry on gentlemen.
CheersTom
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What bothers me though is someone created something at this sim and his or their work will now be freely uploaded here at BMS. And on the benchmarksims forum, moderators and contributors are very sensitive on copyright, credits etc…not a few modders or contributors have already been banned, often without much hesitation.
You’re wrong. Bans have been made to ppl who clearly lied in our face and took us for fools.
They repeatedly stole content, avoided due credit and lied to us moderators before being banned. We NEVER ban without hesitation, not least communicationneither long and fastidious investigations
I’d appreciate if you could stop stating wrong facts or stuff you don’t know about.That on the other hand FF content or skins in this case can be uploaded with no one giving a flying buttercake, that bothers and annoys me.
I hawk clearly removed links from purposedly FF skins didn’t he? So again above statement is simply wrong.
It’s not because one guy says A that A is the truth. A must be investigated and that sometimes takes times. That happened as well with the previous model storiesand now carry on gentlemen
Yes please, carry on along our forum rules please. Regardless if you agree with them or not
And you don’t need to question moderator comment either.
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Red Dog, I typed the reply before I-Hawk replied and removed the links, only posted later. Also check pm and now leave it as it is please, I was not that wrong at all. Have a nice day.
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and now leave it as it is please, I was not that wrong at all
you’re still arguing Sir !!
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I want a clear answer.
In case I integrate F-4 with FF’s skin into Korea '80s the MOD will be banned here?
In case I integrate F-4 without FF’s skin into Korea '80s the MOD will be banned here?
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Hi Molni,
FF skins are off limits to be posted UNLESS one can get an approval from the skin’s creator to post/spread freely as a BMS mod.
OK?
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Hi Molni,
FF skins are off limits to be posted UNLESS one can get an approval from the skin’s creator to post/spread freely as a BMS mod.
OK?
Who made the skins? I can ask VO101_Tom but I do not like overstress him because F-4 meanst at least 3 skins even just counting '80s and USAF + Navy. F-4J/S, F-4E USAF, F-4D/E RoKAF.
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He’s a registered member here, so try PM. But that’s probably gonna be a long shot.
C9
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@Cloud:
He’s a registered member here, so try PM. But that’s probably gonna be a long shot.
C9
Molni if you do so please contact me and tell me ill try ass well to find him. I have a lot of ff skins in my hard drive for Phantoms. but if some other skinner could make an template that would be awesome i would love to try skining as well!
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Molni if you do so please contact me and tell me ill try ass well to find him. I have a lot of ff skins in my hard drive for Phantoms. but if some other skinner could make an template that would be awesome i would love to try skining as well!
I will send a PM about the situation. VO101_Tom offered his help but nowadays he is very busy as me. In case he makes the first skin template will be shared. I still not have integrated a single F-4 LOD…
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Message from Ranger.
Hi Molny,
Nice to hear from you and that Falcon lives on!
Sure, go ahead permission granted. BTW, when I shut down FF I believe I gave blanket permission to BMS team to use whatever they wanted - EVERYTHING. So, please feel free to use whatever you can from FreeFalcon models and and skins that I made. Also, BMS deactivated my Ranger822 account so I have never been able to go there and see what they have done since FreeFalcon shut down but I am guessing that much progress has been made and hope BMS was able to make working theaters and campaigns like FreeFalcon and that BMS has finally relaxed with regards to individual modification of things like in FreeFalcon. That was one of the major issues I had with BMS - too much control and lack of freehand to mod things. In the end, perhaps their policy proved smarter and better because BMS is still alive and you and others are still playing with it.
Best of Luck,
Tony
Ranger822I asked from him a list about his work, because I’m unsure what means everything. Everything what he made or whole FF DB + skins.
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Manos,
thank you for sharing your work.
Let me understand,
what did you change in these 3d models?
can you post some pictures with details?it could be great have a psd about this too.
Thank you again
dema
here the original template https://copy.com/qaOIz4BmkicW6ARV
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Manos,
thank you for sharing your work.
Let me understand,
what did you change in these 3d models?
can you post some pictures with details?it could be great have a psd about this too.
Thank you again
dema
here the original template https://copy.com/qaOIz4BmkicW6ARV
Actual editing was for the Double aim-9 rack that early models (B-D and J-N-S) had i modified the lod cause when the double rack included as a different lod in the zip file (for E version and D) then will appear funny in 3d world. Also in all versions beside C-E the weapon racks (slots) where porked so i corrected that as well and some editing in the dat files so the animations Flaps,Stabilizers,Slats,Gears, and stuff appear correctly. Im dont have access right now in any pictures cause im on vacation and away from my Pc.
You can see some pictures here https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?22870-F-4-Phantom-Family-ANYONE-%28to-3d-model-builders%29 also the original Dat file with the esrali version provided from Spbgoro that it strated the flame to me for editing
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As a rack for 2x A-A missiles - also may be used original BMS rack ct 2941.
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Message from Ranger.
I asked from him a list about his work, because I’m unsure what means everything. Everything what he made or whole FF DB + skins.
Obviously he is talking about models/skins that he made:
Sure, go ahead permission granted. BTW, when I shut down FF I believe I gave blanket permission to BMS team to use whatever they wanted - EVERYTHING. So, please feel free to use whatever you can from FreeFalcon models and and skins that I made.
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And as this last communication from Ranger proves, please feel free to post any skins for these models, even FF skins.
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Thanks I-hawk. It will be better though if we’ll wait for the list?