ECM PACKAGE
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Found this on a site
There’s a great description of Falcon ECM in the RP5 manual.
Also, this is a very cool write up on ECM escorts that I found a while back. It is NOT my work:Thanks to the testing work of 49TH BLACK DIAMONDS Nick “Nazgul” Taylor (a well known pilot for the AF saturday group!) and of 69th VFW “Fortinbras” , now we know what is necessary for ECM-Flights to work in Falcon 4.0 Allied Force.
The ECM employment adds a new interesting tactical aid to our MP mission, that’s worthy to be explored by mission builders.
RULES
1.) Only EA-6B Prowler, EF-111A Raven and EF/A-18G Growler can be tasked as “ECM”
2.) The ECM-Flight must be in the SAME PACKAGE as the flight they have to protect
3.) Enroute and Action have to be set to “JAM”
4.) The ECM-Flight will start jamming on the TOS of its first steerpoint (JAM)
5.) As in Reallife, EA-6B Prowler, EF-111A Raven and EF/A-18G Growler can only jam ground radar and not the radar of airplanes.The jammer in the pit protects ECM plane against radar of enemy fighters and some SAM sides. To protect other flights you have to set the STP to JAM, otherwise it doesn’t work.
6.) In Falcon 4.0 Allied Force ECM flights can jam all kind of SAM sides in a RADIUS of 40 miles by 100%
7.) Significant is the position of the ECM-Plane and not its flightpath
8.) If the distance between the ECM-Flight and the protected flights is more than 40 miles, the ECM-Flight still protects itself against enemy SAM sides
9.) If the ECM-Flight will be shot down, the SAM sides are active again immediately
10.) The ECM-Flight will stop jamming on the TOS of its last steerpoint (JAM). It doesn’t matter if it could reach the waypoint, or not
11.) If you delete an ECM-Flight during mission-building, the protection of this package is gone, although there’s another ECM-Flight in the same package
12.) It doesn’t matter on which altitude the ECM is flyingProtection is effective against:
- AAA (Radar)
- SA-2
- SA-3
- SA-4
- SA-5
- SA-6
- SA-8
- SA-10
- SA-11
- SA-15
- SA-17
- SA-19
NO PROTECTION against:
- Tracer fire
- AAA (Optical)
- SA-7
- SA-14
- SA-16
- Carrier Task Force
NOTES
The ECM needs to be the first flight into the engagement zones of the offending FCRs so that their radars can be adequately jammed.
The FCRs would be able to track and engage the ECM escorted flight if it entered at the same time as the jammers. This is especially true for the SA10Human-ECM can be used during multiplayer missions and they are more effective, provided they follow the above underlined rules, expecially being in the same package.
Human flown ECM flights can provide a great advantage depending on the type of aircraft available. For example:
EF-111A “Raven”
This aircraft can only JAM and does not possess weapons. The aircraft is fast and can bug out when necessary. The Raven must be well protected, otherwise, ECM jamming coverage can be compromised.EA-6B “Prowler”
The Prowler is able to JAM and carry weapons such as the AGM-88C. Unfortunately, this aircraft is very susceptible to AA threats due to it’s lack of AA weapons. Make sure this flight is well protected. It is less maneuverable than the Raven and requires constant AA escort. However, since it can carry HARMs, it is a great choice for quickly clearing the map of long range SAM threats.EF/A-18G “Growler”
Growlers can carry a more varied assortment of weapons including HARMs. This is a very capable aircraft that can carry AA weapons and engage BVR. With this capability, the aircraft can be utilized more freely than the others when available. Though not usually recommended, there is much to be gained from multitasking this aircraft when it is on route to an ECM patrol.SA-10
The ECM flight seems to enjoy 100% protection. Similarly, once the ECM flight is established, the other flights of the package are able to enter the SA10’s threat ring without being engaged. Although the FCR sometimes tracked and fired on some aircraft, the missiles would go ballistic from launch.ECM LIMITS:IADS
The ECM flights will not be able to hinder the other side’s ability to vector fighters to the area.
IADS is affected but only when radar based acquisition is concerned. Optical and IR response remains active and, again, your relative position will most likely be known to them via AA radar of fighters, attack aircraft, ground units, etc.Now my question is for RED Side fighting the Blue what ECM flight will work against the US/Sth Korean Air defense’s?
Has this been modeled and just not documented in the post I found?
Have tried a few flight’s to test this out and have found it kinda hard to get an answer.Many thanks in advance
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As for real tactics this was used in the IW1. Just watched a documentary on it. But for BMS since it was in RP5 than probably is still there. So make a TE and test it. Put a Sam and a radar and have an ecm plane fly at a radius of 30 miles at 1000 feet than fly with f16 at the area. Also if at stpt action u see jam than sure honey will be there.
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Im very curious about this as well good post TJ
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In bms ecm flight does not need to be in the same package. An ecm aircraft is jamming an area around him for everybody
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In bms ecm flight does not need to be in the same package. An ecm aircraft is jamming an area around him for everybody
The new code was made by JP
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That’s awesome, thank you very much JP:woohoo:
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@Bad:
The new code was made by JP
That explains why we often get Charles Aznavour on Victor and Uniform…
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I posted there some test results about stand off jamming.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?9249-ECM-strength&highlight=ecm+strength
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In bms ecm flight does not need to be in the same package. An ecm aircraft is jamming an area around him for everybody
Hi,
this is a very interesting point (thanks), but doesn’t answer TJs question.
Is a north side (red) ECM flight able to jam south side (blue) SAMs (like Patriot, Hawk etc)?
Regards
Kolbe
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In bms ecm flight does not need to be in the same package. An ecm aircraft is jamming an area around him for everybody
Are SOJ AC functinal if a player fly with one of them?
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Hi,
this is a very interesting point (thanks), but doesn’t answer TJs question.
Is a north side (red) ECM flight able to jam south side (blue) SAMs (like Patriot, Hawk etc)?
Regards
Kolbe
As I know there is no red SOJ AC in DB. EA-6B and EF-111A the only SOJ capabla platforms.
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Hi,
this is a very interesting point (thanks), but doesn’t answer TJs question.
Is a north side (red) ECM flight able to jam south side (blue) SAMs (like Patriot, Hawk etc)?
Regards
Kolbe
of course any ECM aircraft whatever his team color can jam whatever other systems of another color team
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Are SOJ AC functinal if a player fly with one of them?
you mean with on of them , as pilot of the ECM AC ? very doubtful, i’ll have to check
falcon BMS is a F16 sim
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Well TJ guess we need to add prowlers to our packages (lol now now boys)
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Well TJ guess we need to add prowlers to our packages (lol now now boys)
as i said, there is no need for them to be in your package anymore. (they are flying too slow for F16 , especially prowlers)
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Whats the impact of ECM on enemy and friendly AA radars?
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They? The other SOJ AC in DB the EF-111A which can fly faster as any F-16 variants if Falcon carry weapons. EF-111A is always clean. With 100% mil thrust at low it can reach with 100% easily M0.9. Only question that campaigns create ECM missions or not and how STPs are set by AI.
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I’m confused now. Does it or doesn’t work?
Let’s say I add a flight of an f-111 and have it circle between a sa-10 and a radar site and I fly over the area while the f-111 is over the area with jam as it’s stpt action. Would the sa-10 hit me or not?
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I’m confused now. Does it or doesn’t work?
Let’s say I add a flight of an f-111 and have it circle between a sa-10 and a radar site and I fly over the area while the f-111 is over the area with jam as it’s stpt action. Would the sa-10 hit me or not?
From what I’ve gathered. ECM flights good against ground threats such as SAMs, but ECM flights wont effect enemy air-air radar.
