4 misses / 4 Hits, having problems firing AGM-65
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Of course, 4.33 become more realistic, now we can’t fire AGM-65 as a machine gun without miss one or two, or three
(like 4.32)
why i can’t hits all my targets when i fire??? anyone has a reference how to fire AGM-65 with TGP? Is this more effective? how to align in ground the mavericks?
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Always respect the image shown on the WPN page prior to firing. Know the limits in bank angle, pitch angle, bank rate, and range. Know what is meant by the “keyhole” and how limits are different for different Maverick models. Observe the pointing cross solid indicating a good lock as near as practical to boresight. The TGP MBC handoff can help get the Maverick pointed in the right direction and tracking but it does not guarantee a successful track after launch. The only screen that can show you good parameters for launch is the WPN page.
TGP handoff is an optional workload reduction and identification help process. Assuming the sight lines of TGP and Maverick are calibrated properly (another preparation process) the handoff is as simple as having both TGP and WPN video visible (one on each MFD) and commanding a TGP point track at the desired target. The MBC function will control the missile to point at the same target as TGP is looking and command track. Provided the handoff is successful and missile is within firing parameters all that is needed is to press weapons release.
Ground calibration of sight lines is the same as in air except the GND JETT ENABLE switch is required as required are functions are inhibited on the ground without it.
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Thank you master
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And as little tidbit addition to what Frederf said, I’d wait until your fairly close before you attempt a handoff, say below 15 or so miles, closer is better. The mav video doesn’t zoom well, and even in narrow FOV it still can be really hard for the missile to lock up a handed off target at long ranges even if it is clear as day on the TGP. If the target is too small on the mav video, it probably wont handoff correctly.
Adam
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I found this video very helpful
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Don’t fly too high. Also, sometimes you won’t c handoff in progress message on WPN page. But as long as you see C on top the station and a solid cross, then fire away.
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AGM 65 G (BMS433) is able to sort small verhicles from 15 miles, if you handoff earlier it will sort bigger stuff if available. Training TE AGM cavok is a nice example of this, make sure TGP and AGM are calibrated. Lock small target (verhicle) at SP7 with TGP from 20 miles, during handoff you will see in the HUD the AGM circle locking on the bigger building instead of the intended verhicel. AGM D version works the same from about 10 miles.
I do not prefer the handoff, work with TGP for the search and once you now where to look I find it easier to go from TGP position for sorting/lockin with AGM.
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Also you have to remember that the rail can only link one AGM65D per rail. So after you fired the first one off that rail, you will have to re calibrate it again for that rail. For example if you had position 5 setup with a AGM65D with a C on top after calibrate. If you fire the position 5 AGM65D. You will have to do another calibration to position 5 AGM65D.
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Also you have to remember that the rail can only link one AGM65D per rail. So after you fired the first one off that rail, you will have to re calibrate it again for that rail. For example if you had position 5 setup with a AGM65D with a C on top after calibrate. If you fire the position 5 AGM65D. You will have to do another calibration to position 5 AGM65D.
Not true
The station is boresighted. Not the missile
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AGM 65 G (BMS433) is able to sort small verhicles from 15 miles, if you handoff earlier it will sort bigger stuff if available. Training TE AGM cavok is a nice example of this, make sure TGP and AGM are calibrated. Lock small target (verhicle) at SP7 with TGP from 20 miles, during handoff you will see in the HUD the AGM circle locking on the bigger building instead of the intended verhicel. AGM D version works the same from about 10 miles.
I do not prefer the handoff, work with TGP for the search and once you now where to look I find it easier to go from TGP position for sorting/lockin with AGM.
That is AGM-65 acquisition problem and it is not related in any way to the TGP.
The AGM-65 in not locking onto to the vehicle because of insufficient target size.
Try locking onto the same target at the rage you specified, but this time using solely the AGM-65 and see what happens. I bet that you will be unsuccessful.I really don’t understand how you can find it easier to use the TGP to “point” at your target so to speak, and rely on the AGM-65 to lock. You need at least 1 extra step depending on how you are using the TGP
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I had harpoons and mavericks, and after shooting the two Harpoons I clicked AG on the ICP and just clicking AG fired a maverick!
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Of course, 4.33 become more realistic, now we can’t fire AGM-65 as a machine gun without miss one or two, or three
(like 4.32)Switching to realistic loadouts will solve MANY “problems” i read here. Anyone trying to fly “airquake-style” just hunting for dozen kills in one mission hasn’t understood BMS’ philosophy IMO.
Hopefully BMS can address this better in future.
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I had harpoons and mavericks, and after shooting the two Harpoons I clicked AG on the ICP and just clicking AG fired a maverick!
Weird… shouldn’t happen, I’m sure you had some confusion there.
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That is AGM-65 acquisition problem and it is not related in any way to the TGP.
The AGM-65 in not locking onto to the vehicle because of insufficient target size.
Try locking onto the same target at the rage you specified, but this time using solely the AGM-65 and see what happens. I bet that you will be unsuccessful.I really don’t understand how you can find it easier to use the TGP to “point” at your target so to speak, and rely on the AGM-65 to lock. You need at least 1 extra step depending on how you are using the TGP
It is indeed a AGM acquisition problem where I was pointing to due to target size. You understood me very well so far.
From here you drift away.
Then I wrote targeting from 20 miles Handoff is not succesful as AGM jump to bigger objects, isn’t that unsuccesful to?
This extra step on the AGM is just giving me the control I seek and without the need of crosschecking for errors. So it looks like an extras step but I find this more convenient for obvious reasons. ANd no need for calibrations, so what is the problem? Why should I use TGP when I’m not able to lock and fire on smaller object prior then 15 miles range with G version anyway? If the AGM could be used effectively at 20-25 miles it would be different story.
This threat is about acquisition problems and my preferred method is an option to go around the handoff method where I use TGP as primary detection because of range advantage and use it’s position for use with AGM. -
nope no confusion what so ever. BMS 4.32 showed the same strange behaviour too. Just by clicking AA mode in ICP it would shoot a sidewinder. Not always but sometimes it did. Now BMS 4.33 showed the same problem.
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Clicking (with the mouse? or with an HOTAS switch?) AA never shoots an AMRAAM? Clicking AG never drop bombs? Did you try rocket pod?
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You know, real pilots have accidentally fired sidewinders on the range due to switching mastermodes before releasing a held pickle.
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no accidental things at all, it happen just by clicking on AG mode. I clicked AG mode to select mavericks and that click fired the maverick. I clicked again on AG mode and it fired the other maverick. This doesn’t happen always but it did once.
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I’ve had plenty of weird things happen when switching mastermodes but accidental pickeling(sp?) hasn’t been one of them.
BTW, this whole handoff thing has been impossible for me until today. The moral as always: RTFM. One display with the TGP on WIDE and the other in WPN. BRST, handoff and BOOM! Very cool!
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Guessing that your pickle joykey might be the cause here. I trust you when you say that you’re not depressing it, but I don’t trust that your PC isn’t getting a keypress registered from it.
