Saitek X65
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RedTiger the profile works a treat thanks.
I must say I love the x65 I have had the following and it out shines them all by a long shot.
X52pro
CH
Stock Cougar
G940
Hi,Freehand
If you are happy then I’m happy too!
My first HOTAS was a X52 and i think it’s good for the beginning,
but really the stick like a weak sausage
Unfortunately it seems that X65F will not continue.For myself the big advantage is the four buttons on panel which permit to change the force sensing in flight.
So in air combat strictely speaking my force sensing F1 is 0,78Kgf in X and Y.
F2 is 0,78Kgf for X and 1,25Kgf in Y the ratio here approach the real one 17lbf X and 25lbf Y.
F3 is 0,94Kgf X and 1,25Kgf Y (for air refuelling and landing).Finally F4 is 0,94Kgf X and 1,56Kgf Y.
In all case X and Y have linear curves in dead zones setting with one mark one each side of the centered red line
to determine the dead zone in X and Y.Of course with 0,78Kgf you don’t need scratch or scews to fix the HOTAS on your table!But the sensibility is high,even very high!ps: I edit my post because i didn’t thought that my profile was made with a AZERTY keyboard.It’s important,some
touch woudn’t be good for a QWERTY keybord but it’s easy to correct with the Keyboard given in the DOC.
What is important to know is how using the macro function when necessary in the editor of profile.It took me a lot of time. -
Hello.
I didn’t want to open up a new thread on the x65f as this thread seems suitable for me.
I am thinking about purchasing a x65f force sensing stick. As I am just used to fly in BMS with a traditional stick, I was wondering if it is worth to migrate from a tradtional stick to a force sensing stick. Yesterday I was flying in an f16 simulator in Frankfurt, Germany. It was more a “fun” simulator the guys told me there, as most of the cockpit was not functional. But they had a force sensing stick applied to to the cockpit. I found it hard but also interesting and challenging to fly with a force sensing stick . But more importantly. The last post in this thread is from 2014. Does anybody know if the x65f is still working with Windows10 and BMS 4.34 ? I can get a pre owned one for $350 (290 EUR) on ebay. Good deal? What do you guys think. -
I have it, and it works with Windows 10 and BMS4.33U5. I switched to the X65F from an X45, which is a traditional HOTAS. In the beginning, it felt somewhat tough to fly with it, but once I got used to it, it started to make sense and to feel comfortable. In my opinion, the X65F should be fastened to one’s table if possible. This way the force sensitivity of the HOTAS may be lowered (i.e. more force required for the same amount of aircraft control surface deflection), which in turn lets one to make only slight control surface adjustments, making flying more precise and accurate.
I’m not sure about the price, as the HOTAS isn’t being manufactured anymore, and second-hand specimen seem to appear rather rarely - depending on the location of course. I would estimate that price to be roughly on the ballpark if the HOTAS is in good condition.
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definitely screw it down !!! and I use F1 which is responsive enough for me - F4 is way too twitchy even in a dog fight !!!
and as previously stated, if its in good condition the second hand price is about right.
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they are great, but the thing is, they don’t give to 10’ like a real viper stick, so if you are doing it for realism, well, the block 3 had those, and the pilots all told GD they were bad, and that was the end of the fixed stick. now they all move a bit. they are great tech tho, really really cool…the only bummer is the throttle assembly has the same EMF and shielding problems as the x56 and the x55, so you’ll most likely get ghost and false inputs from time to time.
There is a spanish fellow who makes cougars into force feedback, but I can’t seem to find him. I’ve seen it on this forum.
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Thanks for the quick replies. And yes, I aim for realism with the x65f fixed stick. I found it kinda interesting flying with that fixed stick yesterday in that simulator. But what you’re saying is that only the Block 3 had those fixed sticks? Which then means in the real world there are not many or even no more F16 with a fixed stick in service? If so, what would be the most realistic HOTAS for BMS in concerns of range of movement then?
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now they all move a bit.
Thereisnotime is right, they are al force sensing, the first sticks had no movement at all, so pilots did not like the (no) feeling. The sticks all got a little movement like mentioned above. So go for force sensing for realism[emoji16]
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there is some logic in putting a very heavy spring and a very light touch, maybe even an inverse curve so that the stick is extremly sensitive to hair trigger. my stick is 16000 inputs high fidelity, and I use a x56, with the red spring. It moves.
the real stick deflects to 10’ in every direction. There is nothing truly out there as such, and when you start making consolations, the ch doesn’t have a paddle switch, the t16000m doesn’t have enough hats, the x-55 and x56 saitek have EMF problems, the x65 has emf problems and is locked at 0 centered, the virpils are from space…
I went with the x56 because of a profile that was up here by trulycertain, it has three overlay modes, one for ramp starting, one for VTOL and takeoff and test, and the other for fence in and combat. I bought everything, and tried everything, I didn’t like the warthog, I have a metal allergy and the skin on my hand was always itchy and red, plus not enough on the throttle and no mode selectors.
For me, the big deal is not realism but versatility because I fly a number of sims and aircraft within them, I wanted a hands on throttle that could map a number of complex systems and controls with no key file mapping. the ch was promising but it simply returns like shit, and uses a plastic gimbal, I tried to work with it but It bounds and bounces through the return. the t16000m is great…for a video game, it has space sim written all over it, not enough hats on the stick for tms and dms management, plus it suffers from the one POV hat DX limit in falcon GUI.
I substitue realism for ease of use. good luck, the market is…how I would put it, polarizing… i haven’t had the need to try the gladiator or the vrpil kits
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the real stick deflects to 10’ in every direction.
Thats an interesting claim… 10 feet of movement. I dont suppose you have some evidence to back up that claim?
I understand the few builders on viperpits who have used a real SSC havent had that experience with theirs.
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Thats an interesting claim… 10 feet of movement. I dont suppose you have some evidence to back up that claim?
I understand the few builders on viperpits who have used a real SSC havent had that experience with theirs.
Mmmh, 10 feet? I thought it meant 10 minutes as in degrees, minutes, seconds. In fact I don’t think that’s to far of……
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Well, if he meant 1/6th of a degree, thats much more reasonable.
Its also about the give in the X-65F if you apply prototypical force levels, although I should note that the stick even with minimum sensitivity is still not intended for that level of force.
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that’s degrees sorry I didn’t want to bust out key generator to get the proper demarcation sir, yes sir. lol. I wish i could find that spanish guys website on here again, when i was asking about this stuff or searching it can’t remember he was making custom parts for existing stick conversions.
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Well, thanks for all the opinions guys. I purchased the X65. I think I just have to try if it works for me. As reverting to a traditional stick is always possible.
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Well, thanks for all the opinions guys. I purchased the X65. I think I just have to try if it works for me. As reverting to a traditional stick is always possible.
Where did you find it?
Cannot find anywhere… nor new nor used -
Used of course. It is discontinued since 2013. There is one on EBay from the russian federation. But I found it in the german “ebay kleinanzeigen” maybe thats like craig list in the US?!
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that’s degrees sorry I didn’t want to bust out key generator to get the proper demarcation sir, yes sir. lol. I wish i could find that spanish guys website on here again, when i was asking about this stuff or searching it can’t remember he was making custom parts for existing stick conversions.
10° is a lot… thats 1/9th of the way to horizontal. Needless to say, the X-65F, the FCC-3 and I believe the FSSB all do not deflect this much.
FCC-3 has a very small deflection, similar to the X-65F. You could ask RD perhaps, I believe his pit uses a real SSC from an early block?
EDIT: Oh and if you hold Alt and then type quickly 0176 it generates the ° symbol. Useful one to know around here, degrees seems to come up very often.
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That means the X65F was the only commercially produced force sensing stick on the market? Wow. The FCC-3 and FSSB had to be built or better “modded” from Cougar or Warthog HOTAS Sticks, right? I feel honored now that I purchased one of the rare X65F sticks
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That means the X65F was the only commercially produced force sensing stick on the market? Wow. The FCC-3 and FSSB had to be built or better “modded” from Cougar or Warthog HOTAS Sticks, right? I feel honored now that I purchased one of the rare X65F sticks
Only one I know of. Im glad I upgraded away from my X-65F, but it was a stick Im still glad to own.
I think personally it could have been much more popular if not for some of the design flaws it came with.
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you’ll want to either upgrade eventually to an logitech x56 throttle quadrant, or hope to the gods that you get a good one and it doesn’t bleed EM like most of the x55 and x56 assemblies under saitek, which causes false inputs.
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Well, mine works fine. If you were going to upgrade, you might as well upgrade rather crossgrade - go the whole hog and get a cougar.