Can't have TGP as SOI when there's no munitions remaining?
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You know, even with TGP Handoff, if can be no easy too. TGP Handoff is used for pointing the correct area to the Maverick. BUT final acquisition is maverick seeker needed. If you have two close vehicle, and you want to target the vehicle on the left, maybe the AGM-65 will lock the one on the right, even if TGP handoff confirm the left one.
This is the reason why maverick is not used anymore for F-16 now. -
t means i cannot hit a shilka or OSA in a convoy, before getting closer for cbu attacks. Every vehicle on the mav seeker is just a dot, so it’s not a precision strike against threats, missiles get wasted on trucks, jeeps or other non important stuff. I end up loading 6 mavs on the plane, shoot them at whatever gets locked up and go home.
In that case, that would use GBUs using TGP… or … AGM65 with TGP.
EDIT: Grilled by Amraam.
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You know, even with TGP Handoff, if can be no easy too. TGP Handoff is used for pointing the correct area to the Maverick. BUT final acquisition is maverick seeker needed. If you have two close vehicle, and you want to target the vehicle on the left, maybe the AGM-65 will lock the one on the right, even if TGP handoff confirm the left one.
This is the reason why maverick is not used anymore for F-16 now.it’s fire and forget
still have use in macro war due to minimal loitering time over target imoyou don’t worry about inbound AA12s while circling a target for lgb runs in micro wars
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I just completed a BAI mission in KTO campaign, with 6 x Mavericks loaded plus TGP for target ID purposes.
I used FCR to acquire a ground mover, then using TGP as SOI zoomed in to ID - I wanted to pick off the SA-13’s and ZSU-23’s that I knew were lurking!!
Using DMS down to switch FCR/TGP as SOI, and DMS right to switch MFD page WPN/TGP, I found I could ID and take out the AAA and SAM threats before getting my flight to take out the rest. So I figure I’ll use FCR and TGP to look for tanks and found that when all the mavs are spent, I could not use TGP as SOI.
My method to switch SOI was DMS down, which worked fine when some mavs were there. In NAV mode, DMS down switched fine between FCR and HSD, so no worries there.
Is this correct behaviour? Seems odd!
When there is nothing left in AG mode apart from the Gun - In the SMS page I can press the OSB above the Gun label which switches the label to AG and brings up the Ground Radar in the FCR MFD also - this then allows me to put the TGP as SOI and use it. (admittedly think ive only used this in training missions)
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@DexterMorgan:
it’s fire and forget
still have use in macro war due to minimal loitering time over target imoyou don’t worry about inbound AA12s while circling a target for lgb runs in micro wars
AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact. -
AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact.Comparing current theater conflicts and the AGM-65 is not really a possibility. The targets are not suited for using a IR missile that requires control guidance through it’s own sensors. The targets in areas like afghanistan are too dynamic to waste a pylon with a maverick. Now if the bad guys were still driving tanks or armored vehicles, then there would be a purpose. If the need arises, the maverick would be used as much as any other weapon depending on the platform.
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AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact.falcon campaign is not “micro” but “macro”… very. think the fulda gap before 1990
REAL air forces nowadays do not aim for these kinda crisis anymore
gimme a mav over a gbu12 any day, i fly in virtual korea… not RL afganistan or Lybia -
Just going back to my OP, I still can’t switch SOI to TGP when all AG munitions are spent in AG mode. The OP was never about slaving mavs to TGP! I wish for it, but I know BMS can’t do it.
It’s simply that TGP can’t be used to visually ID targets for wingies to hit when I’m winchester, which is annoying.
I know this is an old thread, but it happened to me again recently after picking BMS back up after a spell away.
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AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact.Hmmm, that’s interesting. There were some photos here: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?6747-This-day-discovery&p=323014&viewfull=1#post323014
That seem to have gone away, but if you read the subsequent posts about what the load out was on the jet, it seems pretty clear that they were equipped with Mavericks operating in Afghanistan. I’m not an expert by any means, so maybe there’s another explanation for this?
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I think the OP just wanted his question (from long ago) answered. I am curious too. Asharpe, your replying to a comment from 3 years ago.
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Just going back to my OP, I still can’t switch SOI to TGP when all AG munitions are spent in AG mode. The OP was never about slaving mavs to TGP! I wish for it, but I know BMS can’t do it.
It’s simply that TGP can’t be used to visually ID targets for wingies to hit when I’m winchester, which is annoying.
I know this is an old thread, but it happened to me again recently after picking BMS back up after a spell away.
Wait, just a little bit
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September
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Hmmm, that’s interesting. There were some photos here: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?6747-This-day-discovery&p=323014&viewfull=1#post323014
That seem to have gone away, but if you read the subsequent posts about what the load out was on the jet, it seems pretty clear that they were equipped with Mavericks operating in Afghanistan. I’m not an expert by any means, so maybe there’s another explanation for this?
They are apparently still using AGM-65’s, but probably only laser-guided models.
E.g. the AGM-65L can be seen on this picture, coming from this thread.
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Just going back to my OP, I still can’t switch SOI to TGP when all AG munitions are spent in AG mode. The OP was never about slaving mavs to TGP! I wish for it, but I know BMS can’t do it.
It’s simply that TGP can’t be used to visually ID targets for wingies to hit when I’m winchester, which is annoying.
I know this is an old thread, but it happened to me again recently after picking BMS back up after a spell away.
Think it works in Nav mode - put the FCR to GM - havent done it for a while am getting my A kicked in Iron Fortress Strong (AKA Instant Action with 6 Missiles)
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Asharpe, your replying to a comment from 3 years ago.
But, posts are so much more interesting then the dates they were posted on.
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But, posts are so much more interesting then the dates they were posted on.
I guess I can’t argue that kind of logic. :wfish:
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That seem to have gone away, but if you read the subsequent posts about what the load out was on the jet, it seems pretty clear that they were equipped with Mavericks operating in Afghanistan. I’m not an expert by any means, so maybe there’s another explanation for this?
I can think of a few :
- Mavericks lifetime coming to an end, so best to use the weapons instead of having to dispose of them ;
- pretty well adapted to moving vehiules- can be fired easily from every aspect, no need to pay attention to attack heading like a Pav II,
- low risk of collaterals. Shaped charge is pretty directionnal and has low effectiveness on infantry/civilians standing around,
- pretty adapted to strong buildings/bunkers too, less risky than a mk82-based bomb.
Disadvantages includes :
- low effectiveness against infantry in the open,
- limited time of use in-flight due to the cooling requirements (1h total, 30 min continuous max ),
- need to be aligned in-flight for ease of use with SPI mechanisation - basically, the missile points slightly off the SPI because of pylon mount, seeker imprecision, whatever.
Seeker limitations and cooling are probably gone with the LGM variant, hence its use.