SimShaker for DCS World and Falcon BMS support thread
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@Red:
Hey guys, still following this one with interest….
Two questions if I may?-
I read that the software reads the shared mem, is there a future plan to also give feedback for G’s?
When I flew the fixed real airforce sims the pilot got G feedback from the cushion they were sitting on (butt only no back) the cushion was inflating (actually squeezing the back of the upper legs) according to G meter.
It is quite unrealistic I agree, but I always found that short of a full anti G suit it’s pretty close to an ideal solution for Combat sim enthousiats.
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Would the jetseat works Under real aces 2 cushion? Or do we really have to sit on it to get effect
I like the idea of getting vibes in my pit, but I am not sure I am ready to replace my aces seat cushion with the massage seats. I’m not sure I’d like the look of my seat (if you don’t mind me saying Andre)
Thanks
Rd
Hi Red Dog,
thanks for the picture, your cockpit is amazing. What a pity I do not get to Belgium too much
G-feeling effects is in my nearest plan. I’ve implemented that for DCS F-15C and Su-27 JetSeat effects and, having some encouraging feedback from users (link), I’m going to spread it to BMS F-16 as well.
I suppose you could place JeatSeat under your goodlooking cushion and have almost the same vibe feeling. Or you could refactor JetSeat as you like. Please see a good example here (link) -
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Hi Red Dog,
thanks for the picture, your cockpit is amazing. What a pity I do not get to Belgium too much
G-feeling effects is in my nearest plan. I’ve implemented that for DCS F-15C and Su-27 JetSeat effects and, having some encouraging feedback from users (link), I’m going to spread it to BMS F-16 as well.
I suppose you could place JeatSeat under your goodlooking cushion and have almost the same vibe feeling. Or you could refactor JetSeat as you like. Please see a good example here (link)Good to hear about the G’s Andre! Are you simulating just vertical or also side to side?
Yeah there’s your ticket RD with the rebuild. I’m sure you could find similar fabric to the ACES cushion! Also forgot to mention in my previous post, I doubt you remember my thread over at viperpits from a loooong time ago trying to get a G Suit to inflate, but I can tell you that the pneumatics aren’t fun to work with and I think Bergison’s/Candera’s method of move seat flaps makes not only more engineering sense but also give more directional feedback as well. We’ll see how things go like budgets and such but really the thing I want the most after the Jetseat and before the G Seat is a belt tension system. I still remember the first time I went inverted in a plane, I really noticed the shoulder harness. In the big scheme of things that would be pretty easy to do with a servo system.
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Good to hear about the G’s Andre! Are you simulating just vertical or also side to side?
In my DCS method I involve left or right side vibe motors accordingly to bank value,
buttocks/low back or shoulders accordingly to Gy sign,
vibration strength is set accordingly to Gy value. -
In my DCS method I involve left or right side vibe motors accordingly to bank value,
buttocks/low back or shoulders accordingly to Gy sign,
vibration strength is set accordingly to Gy value.Excellent! Nice touch on the amount of Gs. Waiting as patiently as I can for mine to get here! Hehe, don’t want to push too hard but any plans for Gx and Gz? There probaby a point where if you add too much you saturate the motors and it all just feels like it is shaking so I understand if not.
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Excellent! Nice touch on the amount of Gs. Waiting as patiently as I can for mine to get here! Hehe, don’t want to push too hard but any plans for Gx and Gz? There probaby a point where if you add too much you saturate the motors and it all just feels like it is shaking so I understand if not.
Yep, I suppose too much effects would ruin the show.
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Hi,
I’m interested in purchasing one of these.
Can anyone in the UK tell me what happens when it gets to the UK customs? Does it get held until I pay the bill?
And what would be the amount of tax on that around £20?You have to pay 20% VAT on the total price, including shipping, for any purchases from outside the EU and an £8 (Royal Mail) or £10 (DHL) fee for them to pay the VAT in advance and do the customs paperwork for you. They won’t hand over the goods until you’ve paid. Not sure about RM but DHL can take payment at the door if you haven’t already paid when they turn up.
Only purchases under £15 don’t incur any VAT (and thus no fee either).
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Can you use a jetseat and buttkicker both at the same time? If yes, on the same soundcard?
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Can you use a jetseat and buttkicker both at the same time? If yes, on the same soundcard?
You should be able to, looks like it has a 3.5mm jack pass through, if it’s not a pass through you could use a splitter (what I’m doing with my two amps for the bass tranducers). But I think you need to use the USB connection for the different zone effects anyway.
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So analogue for the BK and USB for the jetseat?
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So analogue for the BK and USB for the jetseat?
That’s riht. As you can see we have 2 set of gain sliders and “Simultaneous Output” checkbox at SimShaker.
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Thank you for the answers gents,
Always welcome to come test my seat, or I can drop by, if I’m ever somewhere in the neighbourhood.
I’m game and the offer is open on mine as well anytime
As Candera said, I believe the G Seat and the Jetseat would compliment each other quite nicely. The Jetseat alone is the poorman’s/I don’t want to build all that into my seat solution
I do remember you VP topic about the Gsuit, i have been drooling over that idea for ages as i believe G feedback is the last thing i’d like to have in my pit.
But my golden age of building are over and nowadays i’m too busy flying the pit or managing my relevant of BMS dev aspects. So I’l like to try to keep thinks simple and although i do have looked into the Bergison seat option, i found it’s too complicated for me to put in place in my current pit. (that’s also the reason why i never pursued your way with the Gsuit either )
I’m patient and i’m waiting for a KISS solution for G feedback and i can live with the fact that it won’t be 100% accurate. I just am looking to “some” feedbackHi Red Dog,
thanks for the picture, your cockpit is amazing. What a pity I do not get to Belgium too much
G-feeling effects is in my nearest plan. I’ve implemented that for DCS F-15C and Su-27 JetSeat effects and, having some encouraging feedback from users (link), I’m going to spread it to BMS F-16 as well.Thanks for that André, that’s exactly what i was looking for and knowing the kind of support and devotion you showed this community i am confident this will be something i will really look forward to.
I’ll study the links you provided and if whenever you come close to Belgium, my door is open
On the other hand if you find something you need and not currently implemented in the shared memory, i certainly can try to make it happen over the next releases. So make sure i know about anything you need.I suppose you could place JeatSeat under your goodlooking cushion and have almost the same vibe feeling. Or you could refactor JetSeat as you like. Please see a good example here (link)
There you go, that sounds like a great project to do Now i am really interested in buying one to try this out
Definitely getting more and more drawn to this; Looks like i’ll have to plan a visit by FocalDEsign to try out his
Cheers guys, thanks for the feedback -
Can anything be done to get this thing working as G-Suit?
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@Red:
I just am looking to “some” feedback
Well IMO vibrations are vibrations, either coming from G’s, the gun or taxi, so the feeling will be approx. the same;
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Can anything be done to get this thing working as G-Suit?
Ow, I think André could have a nice item to work with after the jetseat with that
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Ow, I think André could have a nice item to work with after the jetseat with that
My thoughts also.
SDK is available for download too. http://tngames.com/pages/Developers
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Problem with the 3rd Space is the half the feedback it gives is not really a place where you would get a lot in flight (the front) and those in the back seem redundant and not as effective if you have a Jetseat. Now that being said I would love to take it apart, see how it works and use the air bladders in different areas. Also note there is a reason they sell a replacement compressor on their site. I’m telling you pneumatics suck to work with for things like this.
EDIT to add: Just sent them an email to see if they would offer some kind of DIY kit, bladders might be able to be worked into a G Suit pretty easily (dang it guys I was past that whole quest!), but I doubt you could do a G Seat style thing with them. As far as I can tell, it takes some serious engineering to get bladders that are holding your weight to respond the way you need them too in a DIY setting. Maybe it’s because I just tried DIY pneumatics instead of some serious engineer, but part of the problem is that were are talking doing is the opposite of most industrial pneumatic stuff is high pressure/low volume and this is low pressure/high volume so it is hard to find good hardware. And at the end of the day this is really me just slaying an old foe than what I would recommend most people do, I still think the Jetseat is going to be the best bang for your buck.
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@Red:
Thanks for that André, that’s exactly what i was looking for and knowing the kind of support and devotion you showed this community i am confident this will be something i will really look forward to.
I’ll study the links you provided and if whenever you come close to Belgium, my door is open
On the other hand if you find something you need and not currently implemented in the shared memory, i certainly can try to make it happen over the next releases. So make sure i know about anything you need.Hi Red Dog,
thanks a lot for your support.
BMS shared memory is a pretty good source of data, so currently I have just few wishes
http://dreamsimteam.blogspot.ru/p/falcon-bms-shared-memory-wish-list.html -
From me, the best G feedback we can have in sim is a inflating G suite. Maybe, as an additional/second option, pallets on the seat (roll & positif Gs) and/or “dynamic” harness (only able to simulate deceleration)
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Any interest in something like this?
http://thesubpac.com/subpac-s2-2/
Difference would be it uses audio input and would require a separate audio output (via USB or whatever) to independently trigger it if you don’t want to simply mirror the main outs of your system. Can think of a few methods to create an independent trigger which references shared memory…