Autopilot Question
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I am trying to figure out how to put the jet in AP and follow a steer point. From what I have read in the Dash 1, I need to set roll and pitch. I selected STRG Sel and ALT hold. Once those switches are enabled shouldn’t the jet start moving toward the steer point? Or is there something else I need to do? BTW - the jet is roughly pointed toward the steer point. It did nothing, keeping the same heading, pitch, and roll.
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It should. Confirm the position of the switches is where you left them? If the jet is too slow / has too much alpha, it will disengage the AP.
Confirm you are not holding the AP paddle?
When you engage the right hand AP switch (move it out of the center position), the jet should start making pitch commands - the nose may move, and G may be other than commanded by the SSC.
When you engage the left hand AP switch (assuming the right hand switch is currently engaged) the jet should start making roll commands - the nose likely will move, and G and roll rate may be other than commanded by the SSC.
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Did the pitch switch stay in ALT hold? If it drops back to the center position, not all conditions for Auto pilot are met.
The autopilot can be engaged only if all the following conditions are met:
Gear up,
Air refuelling door closed,
No FLCS fault present,
AOA must be less than 15°,
DBU not engaged,
MPO switch not in OVRD,
ALT FLAPS not in EXTEND,
TRIM/AP DISC switch not in DISC,
Stall Horn is silent.send from my C6903
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Heading for steer 3
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Did the pitch switch stay in ALT hold? If it drops back to the center position, not all conditions for Auto pilot are met.
The autopilot can be engaged only if all the following conditions are met:
Gear up,
Air refuelling door closed,
No FLCS fault present,
AOA must be less than 15°,
DBU not engaged,
MPO switch not in OVRD,
ALT FLAPS not in EXTEND,
TRIM/AP DISC switch not in DISC,
Stall Horn is silent.send from my C6903
Thank you to everyone for your suggestions! The AP switches are set correctly - both for altitude and steer point. I am basically flying level a little of centered from the steering bug. Are there any other conditions I need to set. Do I need to set an altitude? But isn’t this included in the steer point info?
Also, I am trying to give myself an advantage in order to complete missions in the campaign. I’m assuming that the near and far label command displays the labels of enemy as well as friendly object. I do not see them when I hit the corresponding keyboard commands. Or am I not understanding the callbacks? Am I suppose be in a certain view?
BTW - I am using Morphines’ key file. I believe the keyboard strokes are k and l.
Thanks again,
Blain -
Check in your simulation settings that your AP is set to “3 axis”
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Check in your simulation settings that your AP is set to “3 axis”
Thanks for the suggestion. I do have it set to 3 axis. What’s the workflow for setting AP? Is there anything I need to do in the up front controller - like alt? But isn’t everything set by the steer point? Altitude, steer point location, etc….
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What I would do is temp load up a standard bms keyfile just to quickly test (lets say in instant action AG). A couple of minutes start to finish.
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What’s the workflow for setting AP? Is there anything I need to do in the up front controller - like alt? But isn’t everything set by the steer point? Altitude, steer point location, etc….
No, nothing special to set up. Just take of, select steer 2, climb to desired altitude and flip the switches, that should should do the trick……
send from my C6903
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Thanks for the suggestion. I do have it set to 3 axis. What’s the workflow for setting AP? Is there anything I need to do in the up front controller - like alt? But isn’t everything set by the steer point? Altitude, steer point location, etc….
No AP does not work at all with steer point, only for heading when properly set up.
It is time for you to Read The Manual for learning AP
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Thank you to everyone for your suggestions! The AP switches are set correctly - both for altitude and steer point. I am basically flying level a little of centered from the steering bug. Are there any other conditions I need to set. Do I need to set an altitude? But isn’t this included in the steer point info?
Also, I am trying to give myself an advantage in order to complete missions in the campaign. I’m assuming that the near and far label command displays the labels of enemy as well as friendly object. I do not see them when I hit the corresponding keyboard commands. Or am I not understanding the callbacks? Am I suppose be in a certain view?
BTW - I am using Morphines’ key file. I believe the keyboard strokes are k and l.
Thanks again,
BlainKeyboard strokes k and l may no longer work. Morphine’s key file is outdated. You may have not seen the following notice posted at Morphine’s profile.
Falcon BMS >
Version 2.0
Morphine’s Warthog Files for Falcon BMS
These files have not been updated for BMS 4.33 or 4.33.1. Please look in the BMS Warthog forum where other users have generously distributed updated versions. -
No AP does not work at all with steer point, only for heading when properly set up.
It is time for you to Read The Manual for learning AP
I’ve been trying figure this thing out from the manual but was a little confused as to the terminology. It mentions that if I select STPT Auto STPT in the UFC that it will automatically switch to the next STPT. I interpreted this as the jet will head to the next steer point. But based on what you are saying is that only the steer point in the DED will cycle? I need to take the jet out of AP and point it to the next steer point?
Thanks!
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I’ve been trying figure this thing out from the manual but was a little confused as to the terminology. It mentions that if I select STPT Auto STPT in the UFC that it will automatically switch to the next STPT. I interpreted this as the jet will head to the next steer point. But based on what you are saying is that only the steer point in the DED will cycle? I need to take the jet out of AP and point it to the next steer point?
Thanks!
No you need to change the steerpoint and it will go to whatever stpt you select.
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Actually Icarus
If you select auto stpt in the UFC the stpt will change to the next once the jet gets a certain distance from selected stp. -
Actually Icarus
If you select auto stpt in the UFC the stpt will change to the next once the jet gets a certain distance from selected stp.But the jet will not alter its course to the next steer point, right? Then why have two options on the left switch - STPT and Heading. Isn’t the heading option meant to maintain your current heading?
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But the jet will not alter its course to the next steer point, right? Then why have two options on the left switch - STPT and Heading. Isn’t the heading option meant to maintain your current heading?
Wrong, the jet will fly to the currently selected steerpoint. It will ignore altitude setting for the steerpoint (technically this setting should be the altitude of the ground at the steerpoint, not the flight altitude). If the current steerpoint position changes, either by selecting a new steerpoint, or slewing the current one, the jet will adjust heading accordingly.
The heading switch does not maintain your heading, either. Isnt this in the manual? It should point the jet in the heading the HSI bug is at.
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Yes if set to auto steer point through the UFC the jet will cycle through the steer points when the auto pilot is set to stpt. And yes change course to each when at a certain distance. (It’s a feature I don’t use but it does auto cycle. In fact I used it only once to test the function)
The heading option is separate function if you set the heading bug the jet will follow that heading. Good if you want to fly in a certain direction that is unrelated to a steer point.
I’m not at my PC at the moment so can’t offer any ideas as to why your auto pilot isn’t working.
To be honest others have offered that already. I’m lost as to why yours is not functioning. -
Wrong, the jet will fly to the currently selected steerpoint. It will ignore altitude setting for the steerpoint (technically this setting should be the altitude of the ground at the steerpoint, not the flight altitude). If the current steerpoint position changes, either by selecting a new steerpoint, or slewing the current one, the jet will adjust heading accordingly.
The heading switch does not maintain your heading, either. Isnt this in the manual? It should point the jet in the heading the HSI bug is at.
Someone said AP does not tie the path of the jet to the steer point. Only the heading. I took this to mean that the AP does not automatically take the jet to next steer point.
Regarding the UFC - the manual says the Auto steer point function is limited to automatically cycling to the next steer point once the previous steer point is reached. So I assume you do not need to enabled this to get the jet to fly to the next steer point.
I verified all the conditions were met. I also enabled STPT and Altitude hold from the cockpit so it can’t be the Warthog.
Any ideas? This thing has stumped me.
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Someone said AP does not tie the path of the jet to the steer point. Only the heading. I took this to mean that the AP does not automatically take the jet to next steer point.
Regarding the UFC - the manual says the Auto steer point function is limited to automatically cycling to the next steer point once the previous steer point is reached. So I assume you do not need to enabled this to get the jet to fly to the next steer point.
Correct, you don’t need the “auto steerpoint function” in order to just fly to the selected steerpoint on DED. The STRG mode of the ROLL switch takes you to the steerpoint currently selected on DED.
I verified all the conditions were met. I also enabled STPT and Altitude hold from the cockpit so it can’t be the Warthog.
Any ideas? This thing has stumped me.
When you’ve selected STRG on ROLL switch and ALT HOLD on PITCH switch, what exactly happens? Does the jet start to turn towards the currently selected steerpoint? Does it hold the current altitude you are flying at?
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From p137 of the 4.33UI TO-BMS1F-16CM-1:
1.14.5. Steering Select (ROLL)
Placing the left ROLL switch to STRG SEL commands the aircraft to fly to the current steerpoint of interest. As in Heading Select mode the bank angle will be limited to 30°. If AUTO steerpoint is selected in the UFC the A/P will steer to the next waypoint when reaching the vicinity of the current steerpoint (it follows the steerpoint of interest which in AUTO is automatically switched to the next waypoint). If MANUAL is set the A/P will circle the steerpoint at a 30° bank angle. Stick steering remains useable but paddle override has no effect since the paddle is not able to change the steerpoint of interest.