Yellow spider
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…so…for us pit builders, we can key off the light bits or use all spider switches and let BMS run the lights. I’ll get it when I get there…:roll:…
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Looks like there is some miscommunication here. In the real jet, the CANOPY light will not extinguish until the spider guard is lowered. It has nothing to do with the switch or “claws” being engaged.
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…ok. I pretty much believe this, and that there is more than one switch involved in the logic - which I still think that a pit builder can synthesize outside of BMS.
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Looks like there is some miscommunication here. In the real jet, the CANOPY light will not extinguish until the spider guard is lowered. It has nothing to do with the switch or “claws” being engaged.
In BMS, the spider and the canopy switch are considered as a single entity.
With the mouse you click on the spider hotspot and the canopy close, the spider close and the canopy warning goes off
with the keystroke you use whatever callback you want (canopy toggle or canopy close or canopy open) and once the canopy is fully closed the spider close and the warning light goes offWarning canopy light work as expected
callbacks for canopy have the toggle and the all statethe only thing left which may be an issue is the fact that canopy switch and spider action are common in BMS 3D pit.
So basically the way to solve this for pitbuilders would be to have a separate callback to close the spider (different from the canopy callbacks) and it’s only after that the canopy warning light should go off -
Hey,
Ok a few problems here. The spider handle doesn’t do anything to raise or lower the canopy at all. It simply covers the canopy switch and triggers the canopy seal inflation. The spider handle does NOT limit movement of the throttle to prevent AB activation on the ground when in the up position.
You write the same as I was saying… Spider is not doing anything with raising/lowering the canopy. Its a swithc guard.
The spider does limit the travel. While it is open, you can not, in a normal way, move the throttle past the spider.
You will hurt your hand if you do.
Not home so I can’t make pics, sorry.You are missing what they are asking for which is two callbacks for two completely different actions just like on the real aircraft. BMS has it simplified to one action/callback.
Sure I understand this. But if (yes if) the spider is not doing anything, adding a second callback is not needed. That was my point.
However, the picture RD posted with the push button which is triggered by the spider makes it clear that it does do something.
This changed my point of viewI still do have a little problem with this. As you can have the canopy open and still close the spider, the 6 hooks will be deployed and seal blown. Could be a problem IRL.
Sorry but wrong answer again. The canopy switch is a three position switch. It will hold in either the middle/no move position or in the up/open position. The down/close position is spring loaded to go back to the middle/no move position. When you close the spider handle this forces the canopy switch to the middle/no move position NOT the close/down position so no closing the spider handle does NOT start to close the canopy. This would also make zero sense as the spider handle is what triggers the canopy seal to inflate and the canopy is not going to seat properly with an inflated seal in it’s way never mind actually pressurizing.
The angled part can be adjusted, mine was probably wrongly set and was pushing down the switch.
But I can see that the middle position would be better.Gr Falcas
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@Red:
In BMS, the spider and the canopy switch are considered as a single entity.
With the mouse you click on the spider hotspot and the canopy close, the spider close and the canopy warning goes off
with the keystroke you use whatever callback you want (canopy toggle or canopy close or canopy open) and once the canopy is fully closed the spider close and the warning light goes offWarning canopy light work as expected
callbacks for canopy have the toggle and the all statethe only thing left which may be an issue is the fact that canopy switch and spider action are common in BMS 3D pit.
So basically the way to solve this for pitbuilders would be to have a separate callback to close the spider (different from the canopy callbacks) and it’s only after that the canopy warning light should go offI think us pit builders can work with this - since the spider holds the canopy switch in the “close” position we could put an intervention in Pokeys/Arduino to not send the single callback until some multi-switch condition in the pit is met; possibly even with some time delay. Then just let BMS do it’s thing. This should work until BMS itself is updated (if it gets an update for this), and also allow pit builders to build/plan for future accommodation.
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Thanks all for discussing this part of the aircraft. I start to become a bit confused. When goes the warning light off ? When the canopy claws are at final position ? Or when the spider is down ? As written before, there are several momentary switches ( one under the spider and one under the left aft glareshield and maybe more ? ) personally i think that after the spider is down and the claws are at position the warning light goes off.
As reddog wrote , bms misses the spider function and offcourse the momentary switch down for canopy closing.
Another point what Falcas wrote… when canopy is open and the spider goes down, the seal is inflated and full power is possible…is there a protection onboard ???
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@JJO:
Thanks all for discussing this part of the aircraft. I start to become a bit confused. When goes the warning light off ? When the canopy claws are at final position ? Or when the spider is down ? As written before, there are several momentary switches ( one under the spider and one under the left aft glareshield and maybe more ? ) personally i think that after the spider is down and the claws are at position the warning light goes off.
As reddog wrote , bms misses the spider function and offcourse the momentary switch down for canopy closing.
Another point what Falcas wrote… when canopy is open and the spider goes down, the seal is inflated and full power is possible…is there a protection onboard ???
A small part of the aircraft… so many questions…complicated hobby we have…The seals inflate and the CANOPY light extinguishes when the spider guard is down.
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That answers my main question, without the spider down, the warning is stays on. But….when the canopy is open and the spider is down…is the canopy warning light off ?
I know from a f16 pilot that during flight the canopy light goes sometimes on and off because trembling of the canopy. -
@JJO:
That answers my main question, without the spider down, the warning is stays on. But….when the canopy is open and the spider is down…is the canopy warning light off ?
I know from a f16 pilot that during flight the canopy light goes sometimes on and off because trembling of the canopy.I have never experienced that nor do I know of anyone who has experienced that. There’s no way that would be normal. You would not have a good seal and that jet would be code 3 instantly.
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My bet is that would be an indication of a faulty seal-depress switch - the aft-most, cone/nipple shaped one that allows the seal to depressurize when the spider is up so you can open the canopy. That, or a chattering spider - and I’d have to agree with Fox3TwoShip…either of those would have to be extremely rare.
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@JJO:
That answers my main question, without the spider down, the warning is stays on. But….when the canopy is open and the spider is down…is the canopy warning light off ?
I know from a f16 pilot that during flight the canopy light goes sometimes on and off because trembling of the canopy.With canopy open “canopy closed switches” are not depressed, there will be no pressuration, so canopy light is on, even with the spider down.
Can not imagine the canopy trembling, this would also cause cockpit depressuration, like mentioned before an absolute no-go.
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With canopy open “canopy closed switches” are not depressed, there will be no pressuration, so canopy light is on, even with the spider down.
Can not imagine the canopy trembling, this would also cause cockpit depressuration, like mentioned before an absolute no-go.
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The story is true, its told me by a current F16 pilot. There must be indeed some failure on one of the switches….old aircraft i think…