How many of us MP BMS guys (and gals?) are there anyways?
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Roll a cigarette in the woods and drink all the beer on the golf cart.
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Roll a cigarette in the woods and drink all the beer on the golf cart.
I’ve done that before lol! I’m a horrible golfer and that’s the truth
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For anyone curious enough server is at:
Version: BMS 4.33 u3
Platform: 64 bit
Theater: Balkans
IP: 83.250.95.15
Bandwidth: 1024 or higher.IVC: 83.250.95.15 (optional)
Campaign: BoP
more info:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4348535/bms-4-33-u3-dedicated-server#Post4348535 -
Is there an actual benefit from using the 64bit version of bms ? Up to now I’ve not read reports either way. Just curious. The VG server is currently 32bit to maximise accessibility.
Not the topic here but if you have any info ? I seem to recall intriguing mention of 64bit being preparation for some future advancement. Likely I got the wrong end of the stick. -
DBond suggested 64bit from start and during one of our attempts to rid the blue-pause issue we tried 32-bit but had flickering textures in Balkans that went away when we tried 64bit again and from there we’ve stayed on 64.
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I think the focus should be on players who want to fly MP, but do not, for whatever reason… The concept behind our server is designed to mitigate this to some extent. We have no requirement to fly with another, or to even use voice comms. As I like to say, just hop on and do the voodoo that you do. Want to fly an interdiction? Have at it. A strike? A BARCAP? Ripple durandals down a runway? Go get 'em. Players are free to join whenever they want, in any squadron or plane, to fly however they see fit, with or without another human. Or we will take them up for a few flights. It’s all good, literally.
Now take that concept one step further. Where can people go to find the type of campaign game that meets their comfort level? So you have the most liberal campaign rules, but what if someone wants to take it up just one step. The solution is to poke around for squadrons and try to find a match between you, the squadron rules, whether or not the squadron is active as you’d like, etc. and so forth.
Imagine though, you could go to a site that has a wiki, that has forums, that has chat, that has blogs, and where a lot of the squadrons go to fly when not flying exclusively by themselves? (FYI I looked into this a bit and it looks like tiki.org might be a good platform to go with here.) Anyway, uou know where to find the campaigns on this site, you know where the general SOPs are and you know where the campaign SOPs are, and moreover you will be bumping into flyers from various squadrons all the time, not just talking about BMS but actually scheduling wheels up. That’s what I am advocating for, I just think you get there by getting the squadrons to buy in on the concept.
How do you mate up with what Redshift20 is doing? Or squadrons in between what you and Redshift20 are doing? The answer is, I think, vNATO or vPACT if you will. A place where squadrons come together for joint operations. And although that is primarily what vNATO/vPACT does, it would also be (I hope) I place for newcomers.
What I am suggesting is the for the squadron leaders to get together (or assign liaisons) and establish a site and the protocols to create a smorgasbord of flying opportunities (this will be great for the guy not in a squadron and not yet flying MP). In my view, it’s the squadrons that have the gift to give here. If they realize it will be fun to play cross-squadron campaigns then they can build the platform that drags single players into the fold and enjoy it. The side benefit for all the squadrons is they will be meeting flyers all the time that may be a really great fit for the squadron, but they are doing it in a way that doesn’t burn up so much energy. New players are going to absorb all the stuff they need to know to get wheels up in MP, such as connections, IVC, having the right theater, where to get that theater, how to install that theater, etc. And the squadron will not have to lift a finger to get that done. Well more accurately, people from all the squadrons would be contributing a wee bit so that many hands make light work.
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My only question is why is everyone so afraid of doing it “real?” What’s the hang up in this community?…
I probably interpreted your post wrong, but it sounded to me that you didn’t appreciate that most simmers – if not all – LOVE what you are doing! It might not be someone’s cup of tea, but that doesn’t mean they don’t admire you guys for what you are doing. My suggestion is not about criticizing what anyone is doing internally. My suggestion deals with how to get squadrons to fly together though they have different internal standards. It has to do with building interest in the sim, MP, and the whole community. The basic unit, in my mind, should be the squadron when it comes to setting up a vNATO/vPACT or whatever you want to call it. So, although it is perfectly okay for flyers from different squadrons to be in the same flight, you would most often expect all members of a flight being from the same squadron (but sometimes with a guest flyer). In this way, your flight is going to be using your squadron protocols and you get to enjoy the benefits of your particular brand of flying. But you also get to fly in a package with other humans that don’t need to know your particular brand of flying. You get the best of both worlds. Consistency within your flight and dealing with a variety of variables. It’s just like picking the right ordnance considering threats, weather, and aircraft capabilities and vulnerabilities. Talk about IMMERSION!
And I think you should deal with the realities of the sim we have. For example, by decentralizing the host we aren’t going to die if one server dies. That seemed to really blow up Falcon Online from what I read. So say the KTO is being hosted entirely 24/7 on theOden’s server. But his machine takes a dump. So, no worries, the campaign moderator just updates the protocol until the server is back up (to a “check in” “check out” model or switch to say 8thVFW server and their rules if they step in and offer to host it) and away you go. In the end, the campaign doesn’t die because of technical issues.
Bring all of this, not under the leadership of 1 squadron, but the representatives (the Board of Directors) from all participating squadrons. Set up the infrastructure, and now you have something special. It isn’t owned by one squadron, it’s owned by all the participating squadrons.
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OK, at the risk of selling past the close, I came up with an analogy, which seems on my point.
So you play golf. A 16 or 20-handicap, you aren’t bad, good even, on your day. But you still can shank or duck hook with the best of 'em.
You show up at the course a single. As you arrive at the first tee, who do you see but Ernie Els and Freddie Couples. No shit. They see you and ask you if you want to play with them.
Hold on, no internet machismo.
Are you the kind of guy that says hell yeah? You think you will embarrass the shit out of yourself. These guys will be striping it down the middle while you are blocking everything right in to the woods. You so want to do it, but you think that not only will you embarrass yourself, you are also afraid you’ll just hold them up, inconvenience them, right?
I bet most everyone would instantly feel the urge to make an excuse. “Thanks err, Big Easy, but I’m waiting for someone, you guys go ahead”
Some will play anyway. It’s Freddie and Ernie afterall. Just think of what I might learn!
But other guys will decline and play along behind them. After a few holes they notice things. How much fun they are having. How they banter back and forth with each other and with you when you get close enough. After a while they just seem like regular guys, and by the 15th hole you might muster the courage to say hey, mind if I play with ya after all?
This analogy was completely unecessary, as it seems my points were well-received, but I thought it brilliant so I had to share But it’s those guys who decline that are the ones we need to reach. Just imagine if you had played all 18 with them?
I think this analogy works. Maybe for me more than most. As a current PGA Professional and previous full time playing professional the golf analogy works. To me most all of the points in this thread are said very well and ring true relative to my 17 years of Falcon.
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FEAR. Yup, trying not to be embarrassed, humiliated, uncomfortable, ect…? Very true. Confident golf professionals really only require one thing from anyone we play with. Be cool at what ever level you are and have fun. Yes things get frustrating. Vent for a sec, then let it go. At the end of the day, how you played that day is how you played. Maybe tomorrow will be better? Maybe practice? Not Practice? Whatever, but next time just… Be cool.
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Dedication. Yeah have to agree here too. We call it realistic expectations is our trade. I’d call myself an 8-10 HCP Falconeer. I let the “pro’s” I fly with MP know that. So for those who like me don’t have the time to be “pro” at Falcon, just mention that. I’ve only met the most helpful people in this world. (Falcon is the only gaming I do at all)
Falcon is hard! To be a pro version for sure. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be fun during the learning process. And still rewarding! And even the Falcon veteran pros still find rewarding accomplishments. I’d place my bets on that assertion.
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Attention Span. Love this one too. Fits the analogy. Call it a video game, flight simulator, combat study flight simulator, or whatever. It’s Complex! Take it one bite at a time. Just a little patience might be needed, but I’d say anyone can build “Falcon Endurance”. Happens in golf. If a beginner is overwhelmed by a bunch of stuff they are not ready for, it feels like work to them. Not fun. Yup, they’re not coming back.
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Gamers who beat a game then buy new ones My apologies, I don’t know how to do the quote from each poster to add this post. Ironically this ties not so much into golf, as something I use teaching the game of golf. When golfers get frustrated and start hating on the difficulty I bring up Tic-Tac-Toe. I heard this in a seminar and the jist of it is this. The reason we all quit tic tac, is simply because we figure it out and master it. Meaning…. we got bored. Challenging things are what people generally like. With the caveat that there needs to be achievable and measurable goals along the way. I’m going to put a guess out there and say that Falcon is pretty high up there on its challenge in the world of sims and gaming.
Thanks to OP, and to the posters, and for sure the devs that keep this amazing community alive. If I left anyone out, call me for golf lessons I have bills to pay!
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For those non-Golfers among us, what the heck is a "8-10 HCP Falconeer "?
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Come play with us, Baffler we’ll bring your handicap right where it’s supposed to be
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For those non-Golfers among us, what the heck is a "8-10 HCP Falconeer "?
I guess that refers to your handicap? Not a golfer myself, but it’d make sense (8-10 is the range of the casual but regular and seasoned hobbyist golfer I believe, again, I may be spouting BS :D)
Cheers, uwe
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Handicap is used in golf to allow two or more players of differing abilities to compete. In essence, your handicap is the average number of shots you shoot over par. It’s more complicated than that (depends on course difficulty and other factors). But in general terms that is what it is.
So with the typical course being around par 72, an 18-handicap golfer averages around 90 shots per round. Now if that 90-guy wants to play a scratch golfer (0 handicap, shoots around par), the better golfer ‘gives’ the worse golfer 18 shots to even the playing field. Simply put if the better guy shoots 72 and the worse guy shoots 90, they are level, tied, a draw.
So when you hear a guy say ‘I’m a 6’ or whatever, it gives you an indication of his ability in relation to par. That guy averages around a 78.
A "8-10 HCP Falconeer " would be someone who is good, but has not yet mastered the jet.
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Is that with or without mulligans? Because with a mulligan per hole I can get my handicap down to a 46.
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I take pride in telling people I play off 6, or 7 on a bad day.
Last time out, I only lost 6 balls, this was a good day!
I’ll get my coat…
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LOL Malc
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Nice one Malc
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It’s a really interesting line of questions. I keep hoping that younger people will get bored of their consoles and the new “pay to win” oops I mean “free to play” games and simulations will make a comeback. Don’t get me wrong I’ve enjoyed playing all sorts of games including World of Tanks, and I don’t wish them any ill. Nor do I care to have a ton of crappy new sims being developed, but if interest really picked up that could help BMS attain their goals and dreams sooner rather than later. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a new BMS division working on helos and another one on making ground vehicles and infantry all playable?
Most young ones dont like the effort that goes into learning and configuring simulators, casual gamers that like easy unfortunately.
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Most young ones dont like the effort that goes into learning and configuring simulators, casual gamers that like easy unfortunately.
Them damn millennials…… They try and lump me in with those idiots (I’m 30) and I can tell you I am definitely not one.
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Interesting thread. As for myself, I’ve recently returned to Falcon, which I’ve flown on/ off since, well, 1998. I fired it up again now in order to play SP not MP: I fly the DCS A-10C exclusively online with my wing, and wanted something to play on my own in addition to the online stuff.
The atmosphere in BMS is excellent for that. I never fly DCS alone because the world is either dead or scripted. Online, with everyone from the ATC and AWACS to wingmen and JTAC’s being other players, it comes alive, but for SP nothing beats Falcon.
And man, it has come a long way in the 5-6 years since last I logged any serious hours in the F-16! Lots of new things to learn and enjoy
As for the OP asking about trying to explain this hobby to people…I gave up on that a long time ago
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Them damn millennials…… They try and lump me in with those idiots (I’m 30) and I can tell you I am definitely not one.
I remember my 30’s!! Such great times