Realiable sources about BMS realism
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So, I know that the Falcon BMS has and spot on flight model, avionics and everything, from everything that I’ve read out there.
But everytime is the same old claims:
“I’ve talked to real pilots”
“Only what’s classified that is not modeled, everything else is spot on”
“It handles and feels just like the real viper”
“Developter had access to the real FLCS code, and the implementation is almost a copy”
“It’s USAF certified”
…I’m not saying those are false, but recently two friends of mine (one is an airliner pilot, the other is an aeronautical engineer) got me cornered with “what’s the source for all of this, show me”. And I found nothing, no real pilot saying, no developer claim, only ordinary people saying such things. And even if I found a F-16 pilot on a forum, I don’t want to go saying “prove me your are a real F-16 pilot so I can believe you”.
What I want is a relliable source or a way for the end user to testify all those claims.
Just to make things clear, I not doubting the capacity of BMS, how realistic it is, or anything. I know it is one of the best, to not the THE best, fighter simulator outside the military world. I just want to separate the truth from the hoax (that I sure exists in some way) so when I talking to people involve in aviation (military or civil) I don’t give wrong info about BMS nor look stupidy.
Thanks!
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Keep in mind the majority of enlisted active military personnel wishes to remain anonymous on the public internet for privacy reasons in these times, so it’ll be hard to get solid confirmation on any of it I guess.
“Only what’s classified that is not modeled, everything else is spot on” is certainly wrong, as you can find numerous topics here on parts that aren’t (yet) as per real life. Some things are just eye candy, other stuff not implemented or implemented partially etc.
The more recent your comparison point is, the more it’s behind in BMS. (e.g. Terma ATD, digital center console, coloured & moving map HSD etc etc).All I can say is that BMS has been used for basic stuff and some high level cockpit familiarisation in the BAF OCU a few years back. And I have been in the real sim a couple of times and can confirm some parts are really close, if not spot on to the real deal (for as far as their mil class sim is 100% accurate of course).
I also know of at least one Dutch ex Viper pilot that sat in a high fidelity MLU pit running BMS and said apart from a few details it was close to how it was in reality back when the M3 or M4 tape was in use.
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Keep in mind the majority of enlisted active military personnel wish to remain anonymous on the public internet for privacy reasons in these times, so it’ll be hard to get solid confirmation on any of it I guess.
“Only what’s classified that is not modeled, everything else is spot on” is certainly wrong, as you can find numerous topics here on parts that aren’t (yet) as per real life. Some things are just eye candy, other stuff not implemented or implemented partially etc.
The more recent your comparison point is, the more it’s behind in BMS. (e.g. Terma ATD, digital center console, coloured & moving map HSD etc etc).All I can say is that BMS has been used for basic stuff and some high level cockpit familiarisation in the BAF OCU a few years back. And I have been in the real sim a couple of times and can confirm some parts are really close of not spot on to the real deal (for as far as their mil class sim is 100% accurate of course).
I also know of at least one ex Dutch ex Viper pilot that sat in a high fidelity MLU pit running BMS and said apart from a few details it was close to how it was in reality tac when the M3 or M4 tape was in use.
Yep, I haven’t finished the BMS -34 manual yet, but had the -1 and came across a lot of things that are not implemented or just eye candy.
My conclusion is everytime more close to “Trust moderate claims, ignore the majority, exagerated, claims.” and “I’ll only truly know when I met a F-16 pilot that knows BMS or I myself fly an F-16”. One is unlikely the other is… wel…Thanks mate!
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I know one airliner pilot and at least two Viper pilots who testify to the accuracy of BMS… but as I know them through the internet, I’ve not really confirmed their identity with real-world sources. I guess some of these you have to take on faith, others you can test for yourself to see how they perform compared to real-world expectations.
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Too easy …
There are at least four F-16 pilots on the forum, two F-18 pilots, one F-15 … one EF2000.
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VaPal, good luck on your quest to find the answer for your friend. A lot of pilots may view flight sims this way, but this sim in particular is a far cut above most when it comes to systems and flight modeling. It is quite good. There are a number of developer blogs on the main page that describe in detail the high fidelity of this particular flight sim and I can offer you the token, “I know a couple Viper pilots who say it is so too.” But if you’re really interested in learning some of the stuff under the hood of BMS check out these sections:
Flight Model - great detail of the AFM and a video showcasing the many features available. There is about 7 articles in that blog alone with tons of detail from how the AFM itself works to aeroelastic flutter experienced at certain gross weights and wing loading.
Avionics - Blurb about the HMCS.
Environment - Many good articles about real to life features of the sim.
Graphics - Articles about particle system, ect.
Granted, these are from the 4.32 days so we have even more features than today. But this sim has truly no match when it comes to fidelity of flight, checklists, ect in addition to a fairly realistic war simulation with the dynamic campaign. It would be nice if we had some developers update those relevant sections, but as this sim becomes more complex it becomes harder to find the free time on all sides.
Hope you can find some useful info within those blogs about this wonderful sim and hobby!
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Too easy …
There are at least four F-16 pilots on the forum, two F-18 pilots, one F-15 … one EF2000.
That clearly wasn’t an F-16, so I don’t see what you’re trying to pull here, Dee-Jay….
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but recently two friends of mine (one is an airliner pilot…) got me cornered with “what’s the source for all of this, show me”.
Same for your friend airliner pilot … can he prove that he is still a “pilot” lol
That clearly wasn’t an F-16
This is indeed not an F-16 but an Alpha Jet …
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This is indeed not an F-16 but an Alpha Jet …
So that video lends absolutely no credibility to BMS’ implementation of the F-16
Hehehe… just messing with you there. What I’m curious about is WHY the OP’s friends are asking… will BMS suddenly be more interesting to them?
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What I want is a relliable source or a way for the end user to testify all those claims.
For your engineer friend (the airliner pilot won’t probably understand a single line or page! ) the NASA TP1538 used by MavJp to create BMS’s FM. : https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19800005879.pdf
… IMHO you won’t find any other better “proves”.
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here’s my limited feedback:
My friend has a F-16 simulator, which he takes to air shows, for the public to try on for size.
He runs BMS 4.33.1Last year at a local air show, the F-16 demo team was there and put on an amazing demonstration.
Later on the two pilots stopped by the booth and took the sim for a spin.Of course they had many minor comments about features that were not implemented or partially implemented but,
with regards to the flight model and handling characteristics of the sim, they were impressed on how closely it mimicked the real thing.Of course I’m just a guy on the internet saying this so ….
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This guy hasn’t realised yet that this is a religion community forum.
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VaPal, good luck on your quest to find the answer for your friend. A lot of pilots may view flight sims this way, but this sim in particular is a far cut above most when it comes to systems and flight modeling. It is quite good. There are a number of developer blogs on the main page that describe in detail the high fidelity of this particular flight sim and I can offer you the token, “I know a couple Viper pilots who say it is so too.” But if you’re really interested in learning some of the stuff under the hood of BMS check out these sections:
Flight Model - great detail of the AFM and a video showcasing the many features available. There is about 7 articles in that blog alone with tons of detail from how the AFM itself works to aeroelastic flutter experienced at certain gross weights and wing loading.
Avionics - Blurb about the HMCS.
Environment - Many good articles about real to life features of the sim.
Graphics - Articles about particle system, ect.
Granted, these are from the 4.32 days so we have even more features than today. But this sim has truly no match when it comes to fidelity of flight, checklists, ect in addition to a fairly realistic war simulation with the dynamic campaign. It would be nice if we had some developers update those relevant sections, but as this sim becomes more complex it becomes harder to find the free time on all sides.
Hope you can find some useful info within those blogs about this wonderful sim and hobby!
Thanks! I’ll look into these!!
Same for your friend airliner pilot … can he prove that he is still a “pilot” lol
This is indeed not an F-16 but an Alpha Jet …
Hahaha he is, I flown with him and we are scheduling another flight as soon as he’s available! =P
For your engineer friend (the airliner pilot won’t probably understand a single line or page! ) the NASA TP1538 used by MavJp to create BMS’s FM. : https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19800005879.pdf
… IMHO you won’t find any other better “proves”.
Thanks a lot, I’ll also give a look into this!! I don’t as much aerodynamics knowledge, but you know…
here’s my limited feedback:
My friend has a F-16 simulator, which he takes to air shows, for the public to try on for size.
He runs BMS 4.33.1Last year at a local air show, the F-16 demo team was there and put on an amazing demonstration.
Later on the two pilots stopped by the booth and took the sim for a spin.Of course they had many minor comments about features that were not implemented or partially implemented but,
with regards to the flight model and handling characteristics of the sim, they were impressed on how closely it mimicked the real thing.Of course I’m just a guy on the internet saying this so ….
That’s very cool! I believe most of you guys, but I know that there are a lot o hoaxes out there and my concern comes from people that just said what others said, not from sources of history like you and your friend. =D
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Jeesh. I wish I could comment….
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BMS is realistic
source: my dad works for nintendo
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So, I know that the Falcon BMS has and spot on flight model, avionics and everything, from everything that I’ve read out there.
But everytime is the same old claims:
“I’ve talked to real pilots”
“Only what’s classified that is not modeled, everything else is spot on”
“It handles and feels just like the real viper”
“Developter had access to the real FLCS code, and the implementation is almost a copy”
“It’s USAF certified”
…I’m not saying those are false, but recently two friends of mine (one is an airliner pilot, the other is an aeronautical engineer) got me cornered with “what’s the source for all of this, show me”. And I found nothing, no real pilot saying, no developer claim, only ordinary people saying such things. And even if I found a F-16 pilot on a forum, I don’t want to go saying “prove me your are a real F-16 pilot so I can believe you”.
What I want is a relliable source or a way for the end user to testify all those claims.
Just to make things clear, I not doubting the capacity of BMS, how realistic it is, or anything. I know it is one of the best, to not the THE best, fighter simulator outside the military world. I just want to separate the truth from the hoax (that I sure exists in some way) so when I talking to people involve in aviation (military or civil) I don’t give wrong info about BMS nor look stupidy.
Thanks!
You should really be asking two questions -
Q1: how much of BMS is modeled realistically? A1: quite a bit.
Q2: how many people actually use BMS realistically? A2: Quite a few…but many more do not.
Mileage can/may/and does vary wrt A2. Widely.
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Q2: how many people actually use BMS realistically? A2: Quite a few…but many more do not.
Well, I always thought that for Falcon BMS this would be the opposite, given the amount of virtual squadrons out there.
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But can you prove it……
That I’m a guy??
Didn’t you get the photos I sent you?
That wasn’t a python I was holding. Haha.