Crosswind Landings / "Impossible Landing" TE / Crosswind landing advice
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You typed the FREQ. What is the functionof TACAN BAND currently…? (75X)
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@molni you need it for the HSI at least.
Very nice landing! I can’t make an approach without the HUD like that even in good weather haha
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You typed the FREQ. What is the functionof TACAN BAND currently…? (75X)
It was ILS frequency if I got you right.
Sabre.
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Great video Dee-Jay! I am literally in awe of what I just witnessed. It made me realise how much I have still to learn.
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Great video Dee-Jay! I am literally in awe of what I just witnessed. It made me realise how much I have still to learn.
bms 4 is the only falcon version where hsi has a new meaning & you can truly practice ifr with.
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In the F-16, there is something called ARI (Aileron Rudder Interconnect). Basically it will apply rudder if you put some roll and apply some roll if you put some rudder. So you can’t land like that ! You have to accept to land sideways and at touchdown the nose will go back in the runway axis.
As said by Deejay, never touch the rudder inflight except during some bfm maneuvers !
Hey Everyone,
I’m really impressed with the new BMS and the new flight model. It’s really amazing! Just wondering about the not touching rudder on landing. This is what Snakehandler says on crosswind landings at f-16.net:
“Crab to the flare and if desired you can kick the rudder to straighten the nose out. Its not required but it saves some wear on the tires and makes for a much smoother landing. I’ve landed both the T-38 and the Viper in 30 knots of crosswind (tower was calling 24 knots each time) before and they take it fine. Its a bit disconcerting though when the runway is over the canopy rail on the approach.”http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-9288-start-0.html
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I know some guys don’t use the rudder but I have always used it in Falcon during landing if I needed to compensate for the wind.
RAM22
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It won’t work anymore due to ARI (Aileron Rudder Interconnect). It will apply aileron if you put some rudder and vice-versa.
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Hehe – yeah, top landing tip: don’t land and let the weight of the jet close the WoW switches with a boot full of rudder in when there’s a crosswind…unless that is you want to morph into an instant fireball!
There’s a really good Joe Bill Dryden “Semper Viper” article about that scenario kicking around somewhere about this. So of course once the AFM with ARI was done I set up a TE with a healthy xwind to repro the scenario. So far as I can tell, the effect was just as described in the article only I’m not as good a pilot as Joe Bill was so I lost control AFM models this stuff dead on the money.
AFM is a stellar piece of work but using it in the landing regime is absolutely my favorite thing about it…I do hops around the pattern for fun and to this day it brings a smile to my face every time when I think of AFM compared to the old MPRS flight model for landing (good grief what a dog that was in the pattern!).
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You typed the FREQ. What is the functionof TACAN BAND currently…? (75X)
It’s the TACAN (DME) ! …
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Hehe – yeah, top landing tip: don’t land and let the weight of the jet close the WoW switches with a boot full of rudder in when there’s a crosswind…unless that is you want to morph into an instant fireball!
There’s a really good Joe Bill Dryden “Semper Viper” article about that scenario kicking around somewhere about this. So of course once the AFM with ARI was done I set up a TE with a healthy xwind to repro the scenario. So far as I can tell, the effect was just as described in the article only I’m not as good a pilot as Joe Bill was so I lost control AFM models this stuff dead on the money.
AFM is a stellar piece of work but using it in the landing regime is absolutely my favorite thing about it…I do hops around the pattern for fun and to this day it brings a smile to my face every time when I think of AFM compared to the old MPRS flight model for landing (good grief what a dog that was in the pattern!).
Interesting information, thanks! I’m just wondering, because Snakehandler at f-16.net says that you can crab to the flare and then straighten out the nose with a rudder kick. Snakehandler is an F-16 pilot and according to him this technique makes for a much smoother landing. I used to land this way in OF and it worked fine. But when I try it in BMS things seem to become a lot more violent. I don’t mean to critisize, I’m just curious about the best technique. And just wondering, because here there are references to F-16 pilots who say you should stay away from the rudder during landing and other pilots who say you can use a rudder kick to straighten out the nose.
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okay i can only talk about techical aspect here.
the ARI is desactivated as soon as wheels are moving at higher speed than 60…(so as soon you touch the ground even if wow is not triggered)
this has been done to allow pilots to put aileron on ground ans rudder independantly. if ARI was active on ground , steering in wind would have been impossible as aileron would command opposite rudder.
anyway, the use of rudder in approach can be done however increase the difficulty to control roll.
after touch rudder can be used like a classic aircraft.
if you bounce ARI is off as long as wheel has not decelrated under 60 (wheel speed model included in afm for the pupose of the ARI)
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I talked to Snakehandler about this and he mentioned the same thing to me. As I recall he said that an IP at Luke showed him how to do this and that guy was a 737 guy for Southwest (so maybe a reservist??) and that’s what they do in the 737 to make happy pax on landing.
At any rate, the point was finding the difference between a “greaser” landing and the more typical bounce arrival you get in Vipers because of the relatively stiff gear and the fact that at typical landing speeds the Viper isn’t quite ready to stop flying at initial touchdown. With moderate wx conditions there’s no question that kicking the nose around with rudder to align with the centerline at the last possible second can smooth out landing a little (and that works with AFM too). Joe Bill’s write up was talking about testing at the upper limit of what the viper is certified for x-wind landings, 25 knots or so x-wind component. In that latter regime, I don’t think Snakehandler would recommend using rudder if we asked him
I think it’s often said by the pros that the Viper is one of the easiest jets in the inventory to fly but one of the hardest to fly really well.
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IRL for Mirage2000 it’s the same … DO NOT use rudder … land with crab angle.
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Thanks for clarifying guys! And Boxer, pretty cool that you know Snakehandler and talked to him about this.
Anyway, amazing job on bms! The more I fly it, the better it gets. It’s really cool!
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Anyway, amazing job on bms! The more I fly it, the better it gets. It’s really cool!
Yes, this is a dream flightsim game that we’ve received from BMS for free (well, just add Falcon4 CD at the installation). It’s also nirvana time for all those ex-frugal characters who have survived in the hobby till these days.
Thanks,
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Instrument ILS approach…
… working on vidéo annotations for explanations
Fantastic work - thanks kindly
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It’s also nirvana time for all those ex-frugal characters who have survived in the hobby till these days.
lol +1
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If you do land with crab, drop the wing on the side where the wind comes from.
Not much, just a little to let the tire on that side touch the ground first.
This will help to make the landing a lot more gentle.Gr Falcas
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If you do land with crab, drop the wing on the side where the wind comes from.
Not much, just a little to let the tire on that side touch the ground first.
This will help to make the landing a lot more gentle.Gr Falcas
Is this true Falcas?? I thought it was recommended not to use this after some AFM updates.
Just trying to improve the landings. I bounce a lot in crosswinds. If this works will definitely use it….