Training Manual
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@Red:
What you pay for is the printing job that Lulu asks. Nobody makes a profit from it, except Lulu.
As a user of Lulu, I know that this is a lie.
Here’s Reddogs page on Lulu: http://www.lulu.com/en/shop/olivier-beaumont/bms-433-training-manual-soft-cover-full-colours/paperback/product-22627376.html
He sells the book for $29.77 USD. Fair enough. This is WITHOUT shipping cost included by the way.
Here’s the customer enquiry page for quotes on books. It gives actual book manufacturing costs, not estimates. The great thing about Lulu is that these costs are constant from initial formation of books to final publishing. They don’t change.
http://www.lulu.com/create/books
Let’s take a look at the manufacturing cost of his book. Scroll halfway down the page and enter ‘152 pages’, this is the number of pages Reddog has written for his manual. It’ll give you a figure but the size is incorrect. So after that, scroll to the bottom of the page, click on full ‘color on white’ under the Interior Print column and then select ‘A4’ in the product size.
Well, what do you know? Total manufacturing cost for a full color A4 book is $9.71.
But wait, we’re not done yet. Go to this page next because this will outline the total cost to Lulu when you sell through their website: http://www.lulu.com/sell - and also here which outlines their commission: http://connect.lulu.com/en/discussion/33139
In the first box for the first link, you’ll see how much Lulu makes on each copy in total. The base cost, which is the manufacturing cost to Lulu, plus the Lulu share, which is 20% of the net profit Reddog makes on each copy. The 2nd link outlines commission.
So Reddog sells his book for $29.77. The manufacturing cost is $9.71. So minus the sale, he makes $20.06 on each copy.
Now for commission, which is splits the net profit 80/20 between the creator/lulu, 20% of this profit amount is $4.01 which goes back to Lulu.
Therefore for each sale of this Training manual, Reddog makes $16.05 for each copy sold. Note that this DOES NOT include postage. That comes in addition to the total cost of the purchase.
I knew something was suss when I read Reddogs reaction to the OP. A little research on the matter reveals that he’s been spinning a bit of a lie to the community at the same time. I mean hey, he did write the training manual so it is his property, I don’t know how you guys feel about that but for my part, no offense by me is taken.
But the whole “I don’t make money” thing? I mean… c’mon buddy, don’t lie about you not making money on the manual. It’s hilarious to think you could honestly get away with that! Come clean
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As a user of Lulu, I know that this is a lie.
Here’s Reddogs page on Lulu: http://www.lulu.com/en/shop/olivier-beaumont/bms-433-training-manual-soft-cover-full-colours/paperback/product-22627376.html
He sells the book for $29.77 USD. Fair enough. This is WITHOUT shipping cost included by the way.
Here’s the customer enquiry page for quotes on books. It gives actual book manufacturing costs, not estimates. The great thing about Lulu is that these costs are constant from initial formation of books to final publishing. They don’t change.
http://www.lulu.com/create/books
Let’s take a look at the manufacturing cost of his book. Scroll halfway down the page and enter ‘152 pages’, this is the number of pages Reddog has written for his manual. It’ll give you a figure but the size is incorrect. So after that, scroll to the bottom of the page, click on full ‘color on white’ under the Interior Print column and then select ‘A4’ in the product size.
Well, what do you know? Total manufacturing cost for a full color A4 book is $9.71.
But wait, we’re not done yet. Go to this page next because this will outline the total cost to Lulu when you sell through their website: http://www.lulu.com/sell - and also here which outlines their commission: http://connect.lulu.com/en/discussion/33139
In the first box for the first link, you’ll see how much Lulu makes on each copy in total. The base cost, which is the manufacturing cost to Lulu, plus the Lulu share, which is 20% of the net profit Reddog makes on each copy. The 2nd link outlines commission.
So Reddog sells his book for $29.77. The manufacturing cost is $9.71. So minus the sale, he makes $20.06 on each copy.
Now for commission, which is splits the net profit 80/20 between the creator/lulu, 20% of this profit amount is $4.01 which goes back to Lulu.
Therefore for each sale of this Training manual, Reddog makes $16.05 for each copy sold. Note that this DOES NOT include postage. That comes in addition to the total cost of the purchase.
I knew something was suss when I read Reddogs reaction to the OP. A little research on the matter reveals that he’s been spinning a bit of a lie to the community at the same time. I mean hey, he did write the training manual so it is his property, I don’t know how you guys feel about that but for my part, no offense by me is taken.
But the whole “I don’t make money” thing? I mean… c’mon buddy, don’t lie about you not making money on the manual. It’s hilarious to think you could honestly get away with that! Come clean
Maybe if you configure the book differently? Correctly?
Maybe you owe Olivier an apology?
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But the whole “I don’t make money” thing? I mean… c’mon buddy, don’t lie about you not making money on the manual. It’s hilarious to think you could honestly get away with that! Come clean
Easy for me to come clean, as I am smarter than that and I knew someone would try that one day
I log into Lulu author corner often to see how many have been sold. Because my only income for these books is indeed the satisfaction to count how many have been bought.
and luckily there is an income report as well
Here’s a copy from decembre 2013 to today - you have the total numbers and the amount lulu gave back to me:
Oh and by the way: if you think the above image has been photoshopped, I can send you the official report and I’ll even have my login and pw given to you so can you log in and check for yourself
You’re talking about my integrity mateMaybe you owe Olivier an apology?
Accusing someone of being a liar without proof is parjury no? Isn’t that an offence in your country?
Are you aware Hatchet that you can’t do what you want on a forum internet media nowadays without risking being pursued?So yes I do believe you owe me a big immediate apology for the discredit you introduced with your ill calculated method
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Maybe if you configure the book differently? Correctly?
Maybe you owe Olivier an apology?LOL! All that typing calling RD out…. 152 pages, A4, perfect-bound, full color… what do you know? $29.77!
I wonder if his apology will be as verbose?
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As a user of Lulu, I know that this is a lie.
Here’s Reddogs page on Lulu: …
Shame on you.
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Not called perjury here, but depending on the circumstances it can still constitute libel (WA law). I believe perjury is lying under oath, and while Im no legal expert Im not aware of that specifically being an offence or unlawful act (although thinking about it, surely it must be).
I suspect given the circumstances, it stems from a lack of familiarity with lulu and is a case of mistake - although if so, its still a serious allegation. Still, anyone familiar with lulu would not believe the quoted price of $9.71, for a color book.
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Perjury, in the UK at least, is a criminal offence.
If you are found to have committed perjury in a court of law then as part of due process you can expect to be on trial at a future date for the offence committed.
See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/1-2/6
And for libel, see defamation http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/introduction/enacted
In fairness, Hatchet, had he\she any concerns over RD’s statement of not earning anything from sales should have contacted RD directly and posed his\her suspicions\questions in private, thereby giving RD the opportunity to defend his position without having his integrity questioned in public.
There are ways and means of doing things, in this instance it appears Hatchet has made a huge error and should leave sleuthing to Colombo rather than trying to be Clouseau……
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It’s just the same procedure according to Italian trial law - nothing to wonder about, by the way.
With best regards to all,
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Interesting stuff Hatchet, but I am wondering: did you RTFM?
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Hatchet - I see from your profile you have only made 39 posts - lets hope your 40th is a heart felt apology to a man who has done more for the BMS community - for free by the way - that you will ever do.
Man up and say sorry - you will feel better for it !!! and so will we.
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Looking back at these posts I have a couple issues. At no point did I demand the training manual be finished- you read that wrong. I asked for a time frame. When? The answer being that it could be done in 3-4 weeks or a year or its done as its gonna get… I asked my question a few times because I wasn’t getting an answer.
Yea, your all right in calling me out on the half a game thing. It should’ve been thirds- One third learning aircraft systems, one third to the ground game and the last third to the air game.
I don’t give a hoot if anyone is making money off these manuals. They wrote them up, go ahead and charge what they think its worth. People will still buy them.
I sure as hell was not being belligerent in my questions. The belligerence began after my posts.
So one more question: Are the dash 1 and dash 34 done like the training manual is done or are they actually done?
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Yes…the BMS -1 and -34 are done in accord with actual USAF manuals…only a lot of stuff is left out.
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lol
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While no part of the documentation is entirely complete I know of no glaring omissions of subject matter in the BMS -1 and -34 files.
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Looking back at these posts I have a couple issues. At no point did I demand the training manual be finished- you read that wrong. I asked for a time frame. When? The answer being that it could be done in 3-4 weeks or a year or its done as its gonna get… I asked my question a few times because I wasn’t getting an answer.
2nd post
@bobbydevo:ok, when is that?
It sucks I purchased that manual thru lulu and half of the game is missing…3rd post
@bobbydevo:So…When???
Your writing doesn’t do you any favors. You could argue that you weren’t demanding anything, that may be up to the mood of the reader, but you sure as hell weren’t being very polite about it. Time frame? Everything here is coming in 3-4 Falcon weeks. Asking for when it will be done won’t get you anywhere. At least we know that the A-A bits will come in 4.34, but after that, everything is 3-4 Falcon weeks.
I sure as hell was not being belligerent in my questions. The belligerence began after my posts.
F*#&!:%…That’s up to interpretation, but like I said, you’ll have to argue your case well. If you’d worded your post another way, you’d have a better case…. but putting expletives on your last post again does not do you any favors. At the very least, you’ve not put your best foot forward and some of the community have taken note.
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Yes…the BMS -1 and -34 are done in accord with actual USAF manuals…only a lot of stuff is left out.
What !!! a lot of stuff is left out - I want my money back !!! ho no wait a min …. BMS is free … oopps ;0)
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bobbydevo - when your arms get tired you really should stop digging the hole your in …
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Please be mindful of the rules people, particularly No.7; notwithstanding the ‘Hatchet job’, which Red Dog is addressing.
Of course the manuals aren’t finished, that’s what ‘work in progress’ means. Let’s hope they are never finished, because that would mean that BMS is no longer being developed.
Anyway, I’m not sure how much more clear we could have made it:
BMS-Manual (page 2): “It is still considered a WIP document and will be updated in line with forthcoming BMS updates.”
BMS-Training (page 151): “As always with BMS this manual is a work in progress and will be continued soon.”
-1 (page 2): “This document will be updated in accordance with BMS releases. You should consider the Dash 1 as a work in progress.”
-34 (page 2): “This manual is a work-in-progress and will naturally evolve over time.”
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Honestly, we love you Red Dog for your time, your effort, and for everything you did for us and for bms community ….this goes for everyone and each one who helped to keep this beautiful simulation still alive and getting everyday better and better …SO THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU .:bowd:
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@RD: I bet that for every single person complaining about the fine manuals, there’s a hundred or more quietly enjoying the fruits of your hard labour!
Thanks for all that you’re doing for the BMS community, I’m certain it’s much appreciated.
Uwe