BMS status rant
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You’re right, indeed I was completely wrong!!! LOL …
Thank you for the huge work you’ve all done lately and please apologies for my pause/break in Dev duties.Huh WHAT???
Apologise for what ??? Please !!!
Cmon everybody can make a good break from time to time , BMs is so exhausting ….
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Too many important devs are leaving with their responsibilities half replaced/ taken care of
I won’t reply to your entire post since I don’t have anything to add on it. 90% of users are happy with U2 and I’m sorry to hear it didn’t work so good for you and your mates, maybe you have some other problem lurking? (Maybe HW, BW?)
But about this point I would like to stand because it’s simply wrong.
Facts:
There is 1 Dev which is in “away” status due to his own decision.
There is 1 Dev which was added just about the same time and which he is VERY active.
There are 3 more Devs which were added since as wellSo your assumption doesn’t make any sense WRT the truth. I don’t know who told you things but spreading such false information about the Dev team in HERE is unacceptable and I’ll expect anyone to at least be able to stand behind his words, and obviously you can’t.
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Okay that’s fun because now I know who you are
Sorry for that I know I am the cancer of BMS
That’s no newsPoint is that we all would like you beeing more precise in your assertions in order to start constructive debate and eventually make BMS progress but for now you just failed to do so
Enjoy life and please stop beeing frustrate with us and bms , it does not worth it
mav.jp i remember the guy called you this way that was inapropriate dont give attention to such comments
polaris i think BMS getting better and better
From my point of view bms getting better and better . -
I won’t reply to your entire post since I don’t have anything to add on it. 90% of users are happy with U2 and I’m sorry to hear it didn’t work so good for you and your mates, maybe you have some other problem lurking? (Maybe HW, BW?)
But about this point I would like to stand because it’s simply wrong.
Facts:
There is 1 Dev which is in “away” status due to his own decision.
There is 1 Dev which was added just about the same time and which he is VERY active.
There are 3 more Devs which were added since as wellSo your assumption doesn’t make any sense WRT the truth. I don’t know who told you things but spreading such false information about the Dev team in HERE is unacceptable and I’ll expect anyone to at least be able to stand behind his words, and obviously you can’t.
We lost radium as 3D dev unfortunately but he is not lost for BMS community
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I am a chronic SP. have never played or tried to play MP. had very few CTDs in U1 mostly were my own lack of knowledge. but I can bet U2 is the smoothest of all. I know BMS is not perfect but atleast I have this pleasure that some guys are working day and night to improve and update my beloved sim… I don’t regret or feel frustrated that I give my time to BMS. it has taught me things no one can imagine… atleast I can brag at my workplace that I have knowledge of Viper. and all this is bcz of BMS… just bcz my expectations or dynamics are different doesn’t mean that I should totally disregard and forget about the days when I use to wake up all night just to add some flying hours in BMS. my wife hates me for this but I simply can’t help. I love BMS.
@polaris. have faith and patience… I remember when i tweaked the sounds acc to my own taste I felt so achieved. I don’t think any other sim gives you that… -
Well, this went in the wrong direction from the start. I would like to apologize to the 72nd Devs and community for anything that may have seemed derogatory. I know Polaris means well and just wants to have a fun sim to fly as the rest of us do. Sometimes frustration can lead to someone just wanting to vent and I feel this was his intent. I will work with the 72nd and see if we have others that are having issues and try and make a positive impact on giving you guys some information that might help in solving any issues our members are having. Thanks for all the Great work and it is much appreciated in our community. More than you may realize.
Thanks
Jambo
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Well, this went in the wrong direction from the start. I would like to apologize to the 72nd Devs and community for anything that may have seemed derogatory. I know Polaris means well and just wants to have a fun sim to fly as the rest of us do. Sometimes frustration can lead to someone just wanting to vent and I feel this was his intent. I will work with the 72nd and see if we have others that are having issues and try and make a positive impact on giving you guys some information that might help in solving any issues our members are having. Thanks for all the Great work and it is much appreciated in our community. More than you may realize.
Thanks
Jambo
That’s the spirit!
We are all on the same team and here for the same goal, having fun flights with BMS. Yes it may be frustrating when you get a CTD during a MP mission, but it’s part of the story. The Devs are doing their best and more than that for promising stable experience, unfortunately not all issues are found within the testing efforts of the BMS team, and so sometimes things slip to a public release. We delayed U2 for pretty long time in order to assure the best overall experience we could produce. Issues are still collected and still some bugs are being solved as we speak. If you have indeed any specific information that may help us, please send it.
Cheers!
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I won’t reply to your entire post since I don’t have anything to add on it. 90% of users are happy with U2 and I’m sorry to hear it didn’t work so good for you and your mates, maybe you have some other problem lurking? (Maybe HW, BW?)
But about this point I would like to stand because it’s simply wrong.
Facts:
There is 1 Dev which is in “away” status due to his own decision.
There is 1 Dev which was added just about the same time and which he is VERY active.
There are 3 more Devs which were added since as wellSo your assumption doesn’t make any sense WRT the truth. I don’t know who told you things but spreading such false information about the Dev team in HERE is unacceptable and I’ll expect anyone to at least be able to stand behind his words, and obviously you can’t.
I never was able to understand why so many ppl. are talking about the internal Team related things why they are not members.
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I never was able to understand why so many ppl. are talking about the internal Team related things why they are not members.
Well when you root for a football team you are interested in gossip about it too
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Well, this went in the wrong direction from the start. I would like to apologize to the 72nd Devs and community for anything that may have seemed derogatory. I know Polaris means well and just wants to have a fun sim to fly as the rest of us do. Sometimes frustration can lead to someone just wanting to vent and I feel this was his intent. I will work with the 72nd and see if we have others that are having issues and try and make a positive impact on giving you guys some information that might help in solving any issues our members are having. Thanks for all the Great work and it is much appreciated in our community. More than you may realize.
Thanks
Jambo
I-Hawk said it all, that is the way to go. Thanks, Jambo! We are all on the same team here: coders, devs, testers, users. We are one of a kind.
I am not sure if people realize what we have here:
We have experienced aero, automobile, software, hardware engineers, web masters/designers, pilots, military, physicist, managers, 3d modellers and all sorts of experienced folks contributing to the dev side of this. All fuelled by passion. But you, our users, are also part of this team. Arty said this very well on another thread: we get inspired by you.
So, any criticism that contains concrete action items are very valuable. Just be careful not to assume things you don’t know about, because some people will not like it.
Back on the original post:
But…BMS is becoming more and more undependable, unstable, undocumented and a source of too much frustration instead of just fun.
This is subjective. But I understand the screenshot/visor down is spoiling the fun and the good news, as already said, is that it is fixed. Now, more unstable? U2 more unstable than U1? I seriously doubt it. I can give you quantitative numbers: campaign servers running 30 days of campaign in 3D without a single CTD. My machine has not experienced a single CTD for weeks/months and I fly this almost everyday. We have some testers doing MP flights with high success rate. I already mentioned this before, here it goes again: perfect? No. But IMHO it is much more stable than U1. Almost 90% agree with me on this one: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/poll.php?pollid=83&do=showresults.
Too many important devs are leaving with their responsibilities half replaced/ taken care of, too many documents are not updated on a regular basis…
Change is part of life. I have been away for 15 years and now I am back. Some folks are here for more than 15 years. Eventually, people come and go. Now, careful with the responsibilities part. If you have solid evidence of something unfinished, please share and we will take a look. Otherwise, I would avoid this kind of comment.
too many crucial bugs emerge instead of being taken care off during testing, too many flights just cut short because of software issues
Again, we are not perfect. Please notice that we tested the heck out of U2. If such an obvious bug had been found during testing, we wouldn’t let it pass. But our tests did not catch it. And remember, our testers are human as well, they are also not perfect. And I would like to give them all appreciation they deserve, they helped a lot with U2. And will help more with incoming releases.
And sorry for the CTDs, really. I am really pissed about this.
Just finished a 25 minutes of my squad’s flight night with two aircrafts hanging above the control tower wheels down and a CTD when taking a screen shot with 4.35.2
Just one too many bugs.More info on this. The aircraft hanging is something we spotted during our testing, so it is expected. It was already there in U1, not something added by U2. It is not something we understand completely, and is definitely something we want to get rid of. But, the focus for U2 was stability, meaning avoid CTDs. Sometimes you have to prioritize problems. Once we are rid of CTDs, we will look at logic bugs with more details.
The state of BMS is just driving one too many away.
I kinda agree with this one, but I don’t have strong evidence. But yes: the more problems we add, the more we drive people away. This is true for any software and we want to do the opposite. The more stability and cool stuff we add, we will bring people back. At least that is what I hope.
I know that if I wouldn’t have belonged to a BMS wing I would just say the hell with it and go have fun elsewhere.
Sorry for being too harsh.
Sorry for speaking my mind so bluntly.
It is becoming less and less fun flying it.I know, CTD spoils the fun, but we are working hard to change this. Hopefully, the fun will be back soon. I see your frustration and since you mentioned, it means you care, and I appreciate that. Otherwise, it would be like you said: you would simply walk away from it.
Onto the next message:
Current state of BMS is lacking in too many ways that something drastic has to change regarding development, development process, development cooperation and development testing.
The path taken leads nowhere good.This is the part of all of this that pissed me. There is a HUGE irony here. What we have done during U2 is exactly the opposite of what you mentioned:
- We stopped everything to nail bugs;
- We added new strategies in code to reduce the regressions and help find bugs;
- We improved team communication;
- We tested candidates 24/7 for 45 days.
- We had coders, devs and testers working very closely to each other. From different time zones, all over the world.
- We were very open with the community during this period.
This is the type of comment that drives ppl mad. I usually ignore it, but this one kinda of pissed me. So, unless you are part of the dev team, please refrain from making statements like that.
More than that…I think the community and especially the devs share my concerns.
Maybe there is no viable solution ATM and you are just trying to salvage what you can.
BMS deserves more than being salvaged and it’s either a peaceful death or a glorious future.
4.36 won’t be the solution.I share some of your concerns. BMS is one of the most passionate teams I have worked with. And we to have our concerns. Bringing some internal communication to public, you have no idea how many times JP repeated to us: we are not in good shape. We need to fix those CTDs. And he was right.
You are right about 4.36 not being the solution, but not in the way you mentioned. Because we will solve this in 4.35. A big part of the solution was in U2, some will be in U3. And for this, we need your help. We will keep releasing U’s until 4.35 is stable enough. Hopefully U3 will be the last one.
But really cool stuff is coming in 4.36 and onwards. There is magic coming, and I would hate to see all the cool stuff being ruined by CTDs.
It will only add issues.
The current problem is the foundations are crumbling.
Fix them before anything else for I would sure hate to watch a ghost of such a glorious past rotting in-front of my eyes.Again, look at the changelog of U2, and you will see how misplaced this message is. In case you haven’t done so, here it is: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?42376-Falcon-BMS-4-35-U2-Incremental-Installer.
As for the future:
- 4.36 will add stuff? Yes
- New bugs will show up? Probably.
But be sure, we will be doing our best. Feedback like we have been receiving from Abelian, Airtex and a lot of other folks are unvaluable. Keep the constructive criticism coming and remember: it is not us vs you. We are all part of the same team here.
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I really don’t understand why any of you give more than a minute or two of your time responding to this POLARIS guy. If I throw a hissy-fit on a separate post, I demand equal time!!!
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I really don’t understand why any of you give more than a minute or two of your time responding to this POLARIS guy. If I throw a hissy-fit on a separate post, I demand equal time!!!
You know, there is information in there that might be interesting to other folks as well.
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You know, there is information in there that might be interesting to other folks as well.
I disagree on that one.
I won’t go into details here of course but we, as a team, have definately no reason to defend ourselfes!Polaris,
I was rather tempted to post something that would earn me a couple of weeks of break from this forum but
at a second glance I refer from that.You have obviously NO clue about what is going on INSIDE the team. And that’s ok.
What I really dislike is your attitude and rant you’ve made despite you don’t know anything!I tell you something:
First, If you are really so frustrated about BMS, heck, go fly DCS F-16 and tell us about your experience
Second, why the hell do you think, that over 40 pilots (which makes it probably the biggest BMS LAN in the world)
attend to the Buchenau LAN since years? Yes, socialising. But do you really think they show up if BMS is unflyable?I think your squadron mate has a better attitude to approach things.
TLTR:
Big dislike!Disgusting!
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now I’m missing Max Waldorf….
c’mon guys relax and enjoy… let’s not spoil the honeymoon period of U2.
we know what efforts our great Devs are putting in… if some1 is feeling broke then take a break, relax and rejoin. don’t hold grudge. we all love u guys. -
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?42453-Bitchin-Betties-Club&p=577730#post577730
for all those who love BMS so much that it hurts. enjoy and love BMS
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now I’m missing Max Waldorf….
c’mon guys relax and enjoy… let’s not spoil the honeymoon period of U2.
we know what efforts our great Devs are putting in… if some1 is feeling broke then take a break, relax and rejoin. don’t hold grudge. we all love u guys.Hi Victor, not sure if your response was aimed at my response… I have no hard feelings, I tried to make my response as polite and direct as possible.
It is important for people to know that they can give feedback. At least from my side, I’m not here to be flattered. Direct feedback, based on facts and evidences are very helpful. Speculating on things is a different thing. Enough, anyway
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Hi Victor, not sure if your response was aimed at my response… I have no hard feelings, I tried to make my response as polite and direct as possible.
It is important for people to know that they can give feedback. At least from my side, I’m not here to be flattered. Direct feedback, based on facts and evidences are very helpful. Speculating on things is a different thing. Enough, anyway
Update 2 is the most stable and high performance update i have ever seen in bms…
The bms team done the right thing with this update:stabalization and optomization.
Not 1 ctd in either kto itself or balkans.Polaris give the team a proper insite of what your problem is and that way the dudes might be able to sort out your problems.
The dam sim is 23 years old and the only sim that gives us a real look at the what the real pilots see.
Thx to this latest update we can now fly the old girl as intended…
The poll in the other thread shows us that u2 has worked for most of us.
Let the devs help u out man?
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Hi Victor, not sure if your response was aimed at my response… I have no hard feelings, I tried to make my response as polite and direct as possible
nope. it was just a general comment to dilute the tension…. community and specially me already owe you alot for keeping us informed through the whole process of U2
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This thread is just bovine excrement. If you don’t like BMS 4.35 then I would suggest you demand a refund (oh wait, BMS is free! Duh), go back to 4.34 until a perfect version exists of BMS, go to DCS (and pay through for really half baked releases like the F-16… oh sorry, it’s okay when we label it “early access”) or stop whining and start coding yourself.
I have nothing to do with BMS but software development is my career and has been for over 23 years - so I can somewhat comprehend the massive challenge behind changing the underlying graphics engine and overall architecture to DX11. This is a watershed release and I fully anticipated bugs and issues.
And I’m really appreciative of the BMS team being very open regarding the fixes, especially U2. BMS 4.35 is a major step forward in underlying architecture even when the sim looks exactly the same as 4.34. But 4.34 seemed as good as it was ever going to get on DX9 and we have a platform to move on with.And all thanks to a team of people around the globe who do this all in their spare time, after work and in between family commitments.
Some appreciation and thanks would be in order here and most of all - patience and understanding. Stop acting like some 13 year old Tik Tok “star” who wants everything NOW and can’t deal with the realities of life.
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This thread is just bovine excrement. If you don’t like BMS 4.35 then I would suggest you demand a refund (oh wait, BMS is free! Duh), go back to 4.34 until a perfect version exists of BMS, go to DCS (and pay through for really half baked releases like the F-16… oh sorry, it’s okay when we label it “early access”) or stop whining and start coding yourself.
I have nothing to do with BMS but software development is my career and has been for over 23 years - so I can somewhat comprehend the massive challenge behind changing the underlying graphics engine and overall architecture to DX11. This is a watershed release and I fully anticipated bugs and issues.
And I’m really appreciative of the BMS team being very open regarding the fixes, especially U2. BMS 4.35 is a major step forward in underlying architecture even when the sim looks exactly the same as 4.34. But 4.34 seemed as good as it was ever going to get on DX9 and we have a platform to move on with.And all thanks to a team of people around the globe who do this all in their spare time, after work and in between family commitments.
Some appreciation and thanks would be in order here and most of all - patience and understanding. Stop acting like some 13 year old Tik Tok “star” who wants everything NOW and can’t deal with the realities of life.
Well said.