Development of new aircraft and cockpits
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Hello Seifer,
While thinking about it wisely, I think that a custom radar for F-5E would be really great.
That being said,
I think that as long as it’s an F-16 simulator, we shall maybe look what’s next for F-16 with F-16 block 701/72, with center screen, moving map etc…
Just my feeling !
RadiumNice! Of course those of us using Helios already have that…
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So, does anyone know on what his F-5 pit was based? Maybe we can use that one instead?
@Radium: the beauty of software, is that it is exactly soft. It is what we make of it. If we keep thinking this is a F-16 simulator, it will be only an F-16 simulator. But once we change this mindset, we can make it whatever we want.
I don’t have any problem with F-16s. I just like the feeling of flying other aircraft. Back in old days, I used to fly F-15s using Eric Aeyes cockpit and had a lot of fun with it. I know, under the hood, it was still an F16. But it had two engines, was full of missiles, a powerful machine. It gave me the feeling of flying a different aircraft. Gosh I even flew a MP mission where the objective was escorting a C-130 and I was the C-130 pilot, it was a helluva fun.
IMHO we have reached a level of realism in the F-16 that each small improvement is very hard to achieve. Going from 99.9999 to 99.99999 can be very tough. Now, improving other aircraft from 20% to 50%: this can be a lot of fun, rewarding and require less effort.
Last, regarding those recent F16 blocks, I guess those information are probably classified as well. OTOH, info for F-5 E should be there somewhere.
Edit: OH, just look what the Mafia folks are doing. That is inspiring.
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Edit: OH, just look what the Mafia folks are doing. That is inspiring.
Where you can see what mafia folks are doing? Are they on discord right? I can’t find them…
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So, does anyone know on what his F-5 pit was based? Maybe we can use that one instead?
@Radium: the beauty of software, is that it is exactly soft. It is what we make of it. If we keep thinking this is a F-16 simulator, it will be only an F-16 simulator. But once we change this mindset, we can make it whatever we want.
I don’t have any problem with F-16s. I just like the feeling of flying other aircraft. Back in old days, I used to fly F-15s using Eric Aeyes cockpit and had a lot of fun with it. I know, under the hood, it was still an F16. But it had two engines, was full of missiles, a powerful machine. It gave me the feeling of flying a different aircraft. Gosh I even flew a MP mission where the objective was escorting a C-130 and I was the C-130 pilot, it was a helluva fun.
IMHO we have reached a level of realism in the F-16 that each small improvement is very hard to achieve. Going from 99.9999 to 99.99999 can be very tough. Now, improving other aircraft from 20% to 50%: this can be a lot of fun, rewarding and require less effort.
Last, regarding those recent F16 blocks, I guess those information are probably classified as well. OTOH, info for F-5 E should be there somewhere.
Edit: OH, just look what the Mafia folks are doing. That is inspiring.
Seifer,
don’t get me wrong : I’m really into getting new stuff into BMS !
I can make or get one F-5E cockpit. 100%. Can you make a legacy radar for it ?
Cheers,
Radium
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Where you can see what mafia folks are doing? Are they on discord right? I can’t find them…
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“BMS Fighters Mafia”, send drkbkj a message over in the Project Bug thread to ask for an invite…
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IMHO we have reached a level of realism in the F-16 that each small improvement is very hard to achieve. Going from 99.9999 to 99.99999 can be very tough. Now, improving other aircraft from 20% to 50%: this can be a lot of fun, rewarding and require less effort.
Not at all my dear Seifer.
There is a lot still missing and not necessarily Uber complex.
TACAN REC functions, ECM pannel, STBY ADI, SMS setup page, just to name few of them. The A/G radar itself would deserve a total revamp. … And I already hear some guys thinking loud about the L16.Aside from the a/c itself, many valuable impossible to the mission planner, ATO, weapon effects … etc …
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“Could anyone say if there is the development of new aircraft and their respective complete cockpits?”
I have a MUCH better question: Could we have further development of the F-16 models and their cockpits? As good as they are now, I bet they can be even better!
I only ask because this is a FALCON (F-16) Combat Simulator.
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Not at all my dear Seifer.
There is a lot still missing and not necessarily Uber complex.
TACAN REC functions, ECM pannel, STBY ADI, SMS setup page, just to name few of them. The A/G radar itself would deserve a total revamp. … And I already hear some guys thinking loud about the L16.Aside from the a/c itself, many valuable impossible to the mission planner, ATO, weapon effects … etc …
And rest assured, we will always have plenty of ppl going for this extra sip of realism. I’m glad we have real references like you
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Seifer,
don’t get me wrong : I’m really into getting new stuff into BMS !
I can make or get one F-5E cockpit. 100%. Can you make a legacy radar for it ?
Cheers,
Radium
I can try, but I will need good references, and motivation. Right now I am focusing on U3, but after that, sounds like a cool project.
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… sounds like a cool project.
IIRC “I-Hawk” had already an generally coding idea … to make the avionic etc. modular,
to be usefull for other AC as well.There was also a thread here on the forum on this topic, … I’m to lazy to search …;)
Cheers, :yo:
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“Could anyone say if there is the development of new aircraft and their respective complete cockpits?”
I have a MUCH better question: Could we have further development of the F-16 models and their cockpits? As good as they are now, I bet they can be even better!
I only ask because this is a FALCON (F-16) Combat Simulator.
with the A cockpit as well?
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How about a real decent F-15E cockpit and flight model. These come in very handy for AG missions. Many of the AI F-15E return with lots of unused load on them although there may be still targets available at target site.
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How about a real decent F-15E cockpit and flight model. These come in very handy for AG missions. Many of the AI F-15E return with lots of unused load on them although there may be still targets available at target site.
F-15E is far too classified… We don’t know much about her. Also, it’s a really complex aircraft compared to F-16.
Also, F-15E are USAF only fighters. We can’t rely on export information. F-15SG, QA and SA are not F-15E !
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F-15E is far too classified… We don’t know much about her. Also, it’s a really complex aircraft compared to F-16.
Also, F-15E are USAF only fighters. We can’t rely on export information. F-15SG, QA and SA are not F-15E !
Compared to F-16 variants which are in the game…?
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Compared to F-16 variants which are in the game…?
F-15E is a very sensible aircraft, I don’t know how to tell it differently.
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IIRC “I-Hawk” had already an generally coding idea … to make the avionic etc. modular,
to be usefull for other AC as well.There was also a thread here on the forum on this topic, … I’m to lazy to search …;)
Cheers, :yo:
LSMaybe this
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?42173-hypothetical-question-on-Avionics-in-BMS/page2&highlight=avionics
(TL/DR: platform-izing BMS is a great future vision but a huge level of effort… and will probably happen slowly over a long time horizon) -
Sure it would be nice to have some other aircraft. This is first and foremost a Viper sim. I don’t really see the need to fly “other” aircraft with Viper avionics. Lots of good guys have put in some serious effort into flight models and such but I think it’ll always just be a Viper sim.
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Sure it would be nice to have some other aircraft. This is first and foremost a Viper sim. I don’t really see the need to fly “other” aircraft with Viper avionics. Lots of good guys have put in some serious effort into flight models and such but I think it’ll always just be a Viper sim.
While it is primarily a Viper sim we have had different flyable aircraft in various flavours or Falcon for almost the past 12 - 15 years. It is still a simulation engine and it can handle different platforms. If that wasn’t the case, BMS would have us fly Vipers only. We have a large community with varying interests and while some will happily only fly the F-16 there are others that see the potential to develop other aircraft as well. The Hornet is point in case. While the underlying tech is still a F-16 the possibility is there to create a more dedicated F-18C version if those with the coding magic can make it happen. If enough effort goes into that aircraft, at some point it will stand on its own feet and then it we will have a very capable F-18C sim as well.
The quality of flying aircraft is directly proportionate to the development time and resources people are willing to commit. While many systems on 4th gen aircraft and up are classified and information is hard to impossible to come by legally, there are many older aircraft that can potentially be developed to a high degree of accuracy. Take for instance older aircraft such as the F-4 Phantom, A-4, F-5 and many of the older MiGs and Sukhois and it could be entirely possible to create very accurate versions of these. While I love watching F-4 Phantom missions that people fly in BMS, seeing the Viper hiding under the duvet is not ideal. If we can develop a more generic system that does not rely on F-16 avionics to “drive” the simulation data and provide hooks/custom variables that third party devs can hook into then it would only take the time and effort for someone to develop a very accurate and plausible non-Viper aircraft that can stand on its own feet.
Debating what kind of sim BMS is of course is moot; it will be whatever the developers want it to be.
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While it is primarily a Viper sim we have had different flyable aircraft in various flavours or Falcon for almost the past 12 - 15 years. It is still a simulation engine and it can handle different platforms. If that wasn’t the case, BMS would have us fly Vipers only. We have a large community with varying interests and while some will happily only fly the F-16 there are others that see the potential to develop other aircraft as well. The Hornet is point in case. While the underlying tech is still a F-16 the possibility is there to create a more dedicated F-18C version if those with the coding magic can make it happen. If enough effort goes into that aircraft, at some point it will stand on its own feet and then it we will have a very capable F-18C sim as well.
The quality of flying aircraft is directly proportionate to the development time and resources people are willing to commit. While many systems on 4th gen aircraft and up are classified and information is hard to impossible to come by legally, there are many older aircraft that can potentially be developed to a high degree of accuracy. Take for instance older aircraft such as the F-4 Phantom, A-4, F-5 and many of the older MiGs and Sukhois and it could be entirely possible to create very accurate versions of these. While I love watching F-4 Phantom missions that people fly in BMS, seeing the Viper hiding under the duvet is not ideal. If we can develop a more generic system that does not rely on F-16 avionics to “drive” the simulation data and provide hooks/custom variables that third party devs can hook into then it would only take the time and effort for someone to develop a very accurate and plausible non-Viper aircraft that can stand on its own feet.
Debating what kind of sim BMS is of course is moot; it will be whatever the developers want it to be.
I partly agree with your sentiment, however, numerous times it has been stated that to change key aspects of the sim would require an overhaul of the code which doesn’t seem do-able ( I’m not a coder so I don’t really know the tech stuff). At the end of the day I think we’ll always just have repackaged Viper avionics in other platforms. Which doesn’t bother me. I only fly the Viper. If I want to fly a different platform I go to DCS. I think with the current state of the sim it will always be geared towards the Viper.
Maybe I’m wrong though and Falcon 5.0 will be released with all sorts of goodies.
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Maybe this
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?42173-hypothetical-question-on-Avionics-in-BMS/page2&highlight=avionics
(TL/DR: platform-izing BMS is a great future vision but a huge level of effort… and will probably happen slowly over a long time horizon)Yes, that’s the thread!
Thank’s for searching, airtex2019!
Cheers, :yo:
LS