Santa's wishlist for BMS
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@Foxtrot701 said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
@molnibalage It’s also good to have a back-up mode for tunguska, when commands sent towards the missile are encrypted and RWR doesn’t know what’s going on. And something with the behavior of the SA-5, because that SAM system is not effective at all in BMS. The SA-5 will quickly run out of missiles if you notch it or “blink” the ECM, but in real life you can’t know when it’s tracking you or firing at you.
About the SA-5. Yes, technically when the CW emission is online it can’t be decided that missile has been launched or not.
But considering how is operated the system if the CW emitter is active missile will comes soon. In the era or HARM using long CW emission just pretending a launch is very suicidal thing. It just provides the chance to loft AGM-88 under the horizon.
This happened in 1986, one fire control radar was hit by this method.
The SA-5 will be presented within months on mine YT channel.
The SA-3 within 2 weeks, hopefully. -
Boresighting Mavs on the ground before take off, which apparently is done in RL (?)
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@Bayonet said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
Boresighting Mavs on the ground before take off, which apparently is done in RL (?)
Probably…but the manuals say it cant be done with the protective dome covers on the missiles either.
So you can blow the covers but then BMS will have to implement hail/stone damage etc so you cant fire them when you get to the target
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@molnibalage
Yeah, I knew that episode - not so funny for those poor guys there, I guess.
And can’t await to watch what you will make for your channel, dear mate.With best regards.
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APKWS please.
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AIM-120D
R-77-1
R-74
SA-20
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I would also like to add a list of letters and numbers, so that I can be seen as knowledgeable.
SA-n-TA-25-12
Data available…?
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@Aragorn said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
I would also like to add a list of letters and numbers, so that I can be seen as knowledgeable.
SA-n-TA-25-12
Data available…?
Undoubtedly you know your alphabet, and even quite a few numbers!
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@LorikEolmin said:
Undoubtedly you know your alphabet, and even quite a few numbers!
There. That is all the recognition for which I longed.
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@Hubert3000 said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
AIM-120D
R-77-1
R-74
SA-20
SA-21SA-20A = S-300PM(U)1, limited data is available
SA-20B = S-300PM(U)2, even more limited
SA-21 = S-300PM(U)3 = S-400, which is available and more cannot be modeled.Also just think about the bubble issue, the edge of the eng. zones…
S-300PMU1 150 km
S-300PMU2 200 km
S-400 250 kmeven wit just the 48N6 missile family.
For the ATO even the S-300PS with 75 km is an issue…Even the legacy SAMs are vaguely modeled, so except the different range with larger bubble there is literally no way to model them.
Even the three point guidance for jammed SA-2/3 is not modeled while the three point guidance is the ONLY method for the SA-8…
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@molnibalage It’s nice to be killed without warning from 100 miles
To better model systems like SA-10 we need a properly working IADS…
Even HQ battalions with SA-15s are defenseless against JSOWs…
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@Foxtrot701 said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
@molnibalage It’s nice to be killed without warning from 100 miles
To better model systems like SA-10 we need a properly working IADS…
Even HQ battalions with SA-15s are defenseless against JSOWs…
Tons of times I have explained. F4.0 can’t model properly the post Cold War systems.
Such uber weapons and JSOW are such thing.
If we remain roughly in the same region as the original F4.0 the game is just fine. As we move far from early 2000s the gap between the advanced toys of the best F-16 and AD increases.In fact even a more clever AD only with Cold War SAMs except the SA-10s still can be very dangerous…
Without warning is not ture. If the FCR of the SA-10 is active you can consider as a launch warning. The time to impact is depends on the distance between you and SA-10 which is practically 30-60 seconds.
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@molnibalage Yeah, i agree with this.
Opposing modern AD goes beyond of what we usually do in BMS. Such tactics as SEAD/DEAD even with SDB/newest HARM/JSOW are unlikely to deal significant damage, they just don’t have range and are easy to shoot down. Things like coordinated cruise or ballistic missile spam don’t work properly in BMS due to the bubble and RTS logic.
I am aware of the behavior of SA-10. Anyway, it’s going to look like a hellish no-fly zone with a 100 nm radius. Go deck or take part of the big fireworks display in the sky…
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@Foxtrot701 said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
@molnibalage Yeah, i agree with this.
Opposing modern AD goes beyond of what we usually do in BMS. Such tactics as SEAD/DEAD even with SDB/newest HARM/JSOW are unlikely to deal significant damage, they just don’t have range and are easy to shoot down. Things like coordinated cruise or ballistic missile spam don’t work properly in BMS due to the bubble and RTS logic.
I am aware of the behavior of SA-10. Anyway, it’s going to look like a hellish no-fly zone with a 100 nm radius. Go deck or take part of the big fireworks display in the sky…
The very large engagement zone of the S-300 is a bit illusionary. It is not a real killing zone.
When targets have minutes to react and they aware the attack, launching missiles on every target would lead very quick missile inventory depletion…Also at 150 km distance considering a flat terrain the radar horizon is at 1200 meters. At 200 km is 2200 m, at 250 km is 3500 meter.
Just a very short dive under the horizon a 90 degree course change for 1-2 min and even climbing back above the radar horizon the missile simply can’t reach the target.
So at long range the S-300s are a constant threat which can lead mission kill and can seriously disrupt the operations but the real killing zone against fighters also is far, far, far smaller.
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SA-20 is in EMF it just shoots a bit further about 80nm seems to work OK. The bubble is now 164nm (303km) since 4.34. And now 4.36 there is something about a dynamic bubble so can probably do it.
No data fair enough there you go. -
My list goes to:
-Central Europe Theater
-F-16A Cockpit -
@molnibalage said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
@Foxtrot701 said in Santa's wishlist for BMS:
@molnibalage It’s nice to be killed without warning from 100 miles
To better model systems like SA-10 we need a properly working IADS…
Even HQ battalions with SA-15s are defenseless against JSOWs…
Tons of times I have explained. F4.0 can’t model properly the post Cold War systems.
Such uber weapons and JSOW are such thing.
If we remain roughly in the same region as the original F4.0 the game is just fine. As we move far from early 2000s the gap between the advanced toys of the best F-16 and AD increases.In fact even a more clever AD only with Cold War SAMs except the SA-10s still can be very dangerous…
Without warning is not ture. If the FCR of the SA-10 is active you can consider as a launch warning. The time to impact is depends on the distance between you and SA-10 which is practically 30-60 seconds.
SA-20A (S-300 PMU-1) IOC 1993.
SA-20B (S-300 PMU-2) IOC 1997.Early 2000s line may have some holes…
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this chinese page has bms 4.37 leaked photo? is this legit photo or photoshop?
https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv16379429 -
Graphical damage modeling like torn out fuselage or wing.