4.37 killed the AMRAAM
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
It had been starting in 4.35 and 4.36 but now 4.37 killed the AMRAAM.
Actually, “4.37 fixed the AMRAAM”.
(if no bug in the release ) … Now the work of virtual pilots is getting closer to the work of real pilots. (Which can indeed be considered as an improvement from my point of view).
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
can’t even hit an AN_72 from 15 miles hard locked in STT mode.
… mmm … that is something … “strange”.
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First shot wave in TWS , last in STT of course ( i could have gone STT on the Third of the last wave, but i messed my cursor)
i dont see any issue here, of course if you shoot outside NEZ, expect AI to escape
https://mega.nz/file/vlsyGKZL#nfdTILN0ucYxP1VjY9Vau83GmxoRQt_0rVi_CYNz5Pg
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TWS or STT it hasn’t mattered, The 120 B and C are crap now. It’s not just me complaining. Our entire wing of pilots (mightily seasoned with thousands of hours dating back to original BMS) are frustrated as well. We use sound and proved BVR tactics and the successes are few. I’m going to put up some ACMI’s just to prove the crap is real. Until next time.
Now this is assuming ALL of you that are replying here are flying 100% realism, AI in ACE mode etc?
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
TWS or STT it hasn’t mattered, The 120 B and C are crap now. It’s not just me complaining. Our entire wing of pilots (mightily seasoned with thousands of hours dating back to original BMS) are frustrated as well. We use sound and proved BVR tactics and the successes are few. I’m going to put up some ACMI’s just to prove the crap is real. Until next time
yeah well, the AIM120 B flight models have been unchanged since 4.32 / 4.33
AIM120C were identical to AIM120B before 4.35 and have been upgraded in 4.35
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
TWS or STT it hasn’t mattered, The 120 B and C are crap now. It’s not just me complaining. Our entire wing of pilots (mightily seasoned with thousands of hours dating back to original BMS) are frustrated as well. We use sound and proved BVR tactics and the successes are few. I’m going to put up some ACMI’s just to prove the crap is real. Until next time.
Now this is assuming ALL of you that are replying here are flying 100% realism, AI in ACE mode etc?
the ACMI were i shot down 3 SU27 are 3 aces
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@Mav-jp You used a MAR of 18 miles? Plus what I saw is you cranked so hard no way they went pitbull plus the 2 enemy missiles just immediately lost track? Kinda sus
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
have noticed the Aim-120B/C is so bad it can’t even hit an AN_72 from 15 miles hard locked in STT mode. Out of 4 shots in 4 different engagements through the campaign, 2 have missed. All supported to Pitbull and no hard maneuvering from the enemy.
i would appreciate an ACMI with a repro case, because it’s been 1 hour already i’m trying to fail at shooting AN_72 at 15 NM …
please provide repro case and parameters
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
@Mav-jp You used a MAR of 18 miles? Plus what I saw is you cranked so hard no way they went pitbull plus the 2 enemy missiles just immediately lost track? Kinda sus
MAR of 18NM against R77 when i’m flying > Mach 1.2 , asbolutly !! else i would be outside NEZ and therefore 0 chance of kill (and in know their R77 / AA12 are pure shit )
they didnt lost track at all (has their SPIKE all the time) , i fooled their lead guidance (you could argue their lead guidance is too agressive maybe ? ) as i was too quick for them in the notch
i would never do the same at mach 0.8 of course, but those little bastards of SU27 were Mach 1.2 as well so had no choice, else outside NEZ with Mach 1.2 SU27 its a garantee miss -
@Mav-jp are you in a TE or campaign? I’m in a campaign so not sure if that has any impact
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
@Mav-jp are you in a TE or campaign? I’m in a campaign so not sure if that has any impact
TE , DGFT or campaign all run the same code
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
Now this is assuming ALL of you that are replying here are flying 100% realism, AI in ACE mode etc?
@WPNS24 Ace level AI can do some weird omnipotent stuff from time to time to evade missiles. But being so good that they only get hit 2 times out of 30 is a bit too much. Especially when everything is supposedly done perfectly.
Ι personally don’t have anywhere near the hours you say you have but most (if not all of us) haven’t seen such a degradation between versions. If there was, it would have already been noticed, since so many people/communities fly 2-3 times a week to almost daily and do a debrief after every flight, and I’m sure that there would be many threads complaining about it.
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is ECM jamming more of a factor now … both ownship (interference) and/or enemy jammers?
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it has been maybe 10 years i didnt engage so many SU27 in BVR than those last 2 hours LOL
It is still far too much easy to my taste to defeat them
i really need to improve their skills in Missile avoidance.
the good thing of this post is that i find the lead guidance a little bit too aggressive maybe, let’s play with that
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okay , i think i am on something as far as lead guidance is concerned
The missiles in general (all of them) might loose too much energy when target is manoeuvering in the notch because their lead guidance is too big…
Those parameters have been unchanged for the last 15 years at least, we might start to open the pandora box now
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@Mav-jp said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
i really need to improve their skills in Missile avoidance.
I think the complain was that it is too hard to successfully kill any target in BVR. If you improve the AI skills in missile avoidance, than we will probably continue with wining and complaining even more. Think about that!
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Wow, got a SU-27 kill out of 4 shots, with only the last being a cheapshot. The ACMI says it’s an A-4 but it is an AN-24. Typical AIM-120C miss. The 4 shots on the SU-27’s were in TWS and the AN-24 was STT link text
let me know if this link doesn’t work, I’m not a google drive guy
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rofxyEEZY6bkp0a7d7-ugaCR_mc0YGuo/view?usp=share_link
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@MaxWaldorf said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
Discussed many times…
STT is just not a reliable mode and it was nerfed on purpose…
STT provides the higher track refresh rate but only against a single target in RL.
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@molnibalage said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
@MaxWaldorf said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
Discussed many times…
STT is just not a reliable mode and it was nerfed on purpose…
STT provides the higher track refresh rate but only against a single target in RL.
I do not get this statement.I think it was a goof….maybe he read STT but thought TWS….
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@Mav-jp - correct. STT was NEVER intended for use with AIM-120.