Thrustmasters F16 TQS
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Very nifty stuff!! Glad that TM is getting back into F-16 gear, tho totally agree on the pricing, but it’s great nonetheless to have more options and variants on offer.
The modularity is interesting, too. (don’t look at the price - don’t look at the price - ACK! i looked at the price… wow)
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I so want this…they mentioned no issues with DCS, with the new keymapper on BMS should be no problem right?
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@SgtT11B-0 said in Thrustmasters F16 TQS:
I so want this…they mentioned no issues with DCS, with the new keymapper on BMS should be no problem right?
It may be required to define certain properties for this throttle in BMS config files for devices, so that the Avionics and other windows will see its axes and such properly, but as far as buttons and such go, they all should be universal like all controllers, and addressable as DX (and/or through the new Launcher).
Such configurations would likely be added for the next update, if required and missing, for the new TM Viper TQS, so it’s just this initial stage where someone needs to actually buy one and learn what is required/possible.
It WILL work regardless, just a matter of whether additional tinkering will be needed before then next BMS patch/update.
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@SemlerPDX is there something specific about this, that you know of… different than other throttle devices?
or are you just referring, to the need to make a new template for it in Alt Launcher?
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@airtex2019 said in Thrustmasters F16 TQS:
@SemlerPDX is there something specific about this, that you know of… different than other throttle devices?
or are you just referring, to the need to make a new template for it in Alt Launcher?
I’m referring to the DeviceDefaults.txt file - I would not mind being mistaken, though I was under the impression that this is where axes are defined for various types of control devices from Saitek X52 through TM Cougar. Perhaps it is merely an overrides file, and if so, it would merely be a way to alter an axis as needed rather than how they are “seen” in general. Looked around before, never found where this may be documented in any of the manuals but could have failed to search properly of course.
This file was last updated August 2018. Given that this brand new TM Viper TQS is not listed in that file, I was implying that it may be necessary to manually create an entry for it, though again, would not at all mind if I was mistaken and this was not required.
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@SemlerPDX nah, that’s just defaults to autorecognize/configure common hardware … analogous to the way Alt Launcher has a bunch of default templates for common hardware
yes eventually it will surely be added, to both … but not necessary.
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@Migbuster I’ll most likely buy the Viper Panel because I already own the TM Warthog. Looking forward to it dropping in August.
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“a bit pricy” is like saying that the sun is “a bit warm”. Even after EU import fees, Winwing is still far less expensive than 499€
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@CloudWallace1981 said in Thrustmasters F16 TQS:
“a bit pricy” is like saying that the sun is “a bit warm”. Even after EU import fees, Winwing is still far less expensive than 499€
What’s winwing’s support like for warranty returns / parts?
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@scubapics I don’t know, I actually didn’t have good luck with TM’s in 2020-2021. Maybe it was COVID or maybe not, but not a good experience.
While I love what TM is doing giving some Viper love, it is a little pricy for what you get considering the WinWing or even Virpil if you want to go for a generic throttle. That’s what I plan to be keeping my X65F until it dies. While I have the matching F-16 parts assigned on it for a pretty realistic mapping, I’ve also become quite accustomed to view control and a few other things at my fingertips with the extra hats and switches it offers to control flight sim specific functions that you don’t need on the real throttle. As much I want the real feel of the TQS and especially the real detents, the extra functions win out for me and I’ll just be happy with @oakdesign’s 3d printed finger lift detents.
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Having owned a lot of Thrustmaster equipment over the years my biggest worry is going to be the quality of slew/axis control/potentiometers/buttons/switches.
Until Delta Sim came out with their replacement for the slew on the Warthog throttle, it was pretty bad.
The Cougar pots seemed like they always wanted to get jittery at the wrong time also.
The buttons on the Warthog were cheesy membrane switches with plastic cases, once replaced with quality buttons, it’s a heck of a lot better. Then again, that took $$$ on something that already wasn’t cheap.Hopefully can see some reviews soon and see what quality level they have put into this. For that price, hopefully everything is digital/hall and no cheesy pots/buttons/switches anymore.
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@TxMtb said in Thrustmasters F16 TQS:
Having owned a lot of Thrustmaster equipment over the years my biggest worry is going to be the quality of slew/axis control/potentiometers/buttons/switches.
Until Delta Sim came out with their replacement for the slew on the Warthog throttle, it was pretty bad.
The Cougar pots seemed like they always wanted to get jittery at the wrong time also.
The buttons on the Warthog were cheesy membrane switches with plastic cases, once replaced with quality buttons, it’s a heck of a lot better. Then again, that took $$$ on something that already wasn’t cheap.Hopefully can see some reviews soon and see what quality level they have put into this. For that price, hopefully everything is digital/hall and no cheesy pots/buttons/switches anymore.
Exactly this.
It’s nice they’ve made more accurate F-16 throttle, but I’m not buying this hype. I’d wait at least a year with making purchase decision.
This new TQC is very pricey, it might be good, but TM has nasty habit making premium looking devices, for premium price with cheap components inside.
I do hope that at least main axis and rotaries are HAL sensor based, anything less would be non-acceptable imho. Did they solved drifting radar cursor hat problem?
What about throttle mechanics? Is it any smoother than Cougar tqs or exactly as much jerky and non-precise? Quite few question to be answered.
If all of that is solved, then yeah, i’m for it, if not i’d rather skip this one. -
@Xeno they did say that the main axis was hall based
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@wazza69
Yep, but what about man range and ant elevation rotaries? What about radar cursor ministick? in the past those parts were really troublesome and at that price I won’t accept product that needs modding to enjoy reliable hardware. -
@Wheelchock I am from Europe. I have the twcs throttle from thrustmaster and the fighterstick from ch. It is enough if you want to learn how to fly falcon bms. The throttle sticks a bit (not so much since I have a desk mount) but I’m not going to spend 60-80 euros on a mod. The fighterstick is too soft which makes it inaccurate in sharp turns but the buttons are extremely good. Still I think it is the best pack for a beginner. Both products can be found very cheap second hand. You have most of the controls on the joystick except for the paddle switch and the second trigger detent (you can do it with shift dx). The throttle also has everything you need.
Money should now be reversed for a graphics card if performance is not good in version 4.38
Suppose you have money to spare and you want to do something. I would wait since winwing has said they are setting up some warhouses in europe then i would buy the f-15 throttle for versatility as it is very handy to have a wheel to zoom and see the mfds clearly and have extra keys to mute, center trackir, stop trackir, etc. Another option is to wait even longer for vkb’s throttle. I wouldn’t buy the thrustmaster throttle until I see the inside of it. As for the joystick, the warthog stick and the warbird or vkb base are a standard.
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@SemlerPDX
I would only hope that TM will offer a complete TQS to the BMS team so that they could test it out with BMS config/software. That could be a smart marketing move. If it tests out to be what they promise, and BMS team reports that, I for one would definitely buy it.
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@huffer2 would it though? We BMS folks are still very much a niche within the niche of flight sims that has become a bit more popular since msfs2020 arrived. Marketing smarts would be to market for the DCS and MSFS Viper community. You know, the ones that make YouTube content every week rather than getting on and either flying or writing code so the rest of us can fly.
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The Viper panel has an angled base, I’m not sure what to make of that. I’d like to see reviews and different opinions on that.
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@mypc - I’m building a cockpit, and the consoles are slightly angled like that. So I’m thinking the new TQS is emulating that, in that it’s meant to be mounted at your hip if you do it like the jet.