Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?
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@airtex2019 i have a rog strix g15, which i upgraded to 32gb from 16gb , i got 3-5 fps increase in 4.38
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@okayasugf said in Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?:
@airtex2019 i have a rog strix g15, which i upgraded to 32gb from 16gb , i got 3-5 fps increase in 4.38
4.38?
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@Icer said in Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?:
@okayasugf said in Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?:
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@Sniper-0 said in Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?:
Am using a Dell latitude 5480 with inbuilt 8Gb RAM, 500Gb SSD, Nvidia 930MX. Will upgrading the RAM to 16Gb Or 32Gb improve FPS? Thanks for anticipatory response!
Well, I can say that I have some experience, almost all of our wing has low-performance PCs and in certain cases we have observed an increase from 10 to 15 fps with the increase from 8 to 16Gbs of RAM. Even in the case of a pilot with 8GB of RAM, he cannot have a single Chrome browser tab because the RAM reaches the maximum use of 7.5GB and the Falcon CTD, so 8GB is in the limit, in that case in particular.
I would recommend buying an 8GB one and that way you would reach 16Gbs, at least for this version 4.37 u3 hf2. You could gain some fps with our wing mod (Low End PC) but it should not be your case very critical.
GREETINGS.
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The OP question was simple: Will upgrading the RAM in this aging 7 year old Dell laptop increase the FPS?
The answer is still, without a doubt, firmly: No
Laptop memory is quite limited by the laptop and motherboard, and the available selection of this particular RAM (as approved by the laptop and motherboard). On top of that, the price per GB is insane compared to PC memory. You’re not gonna have a choice of various RAM speeds to “try out”, you’re gonna be lucky to find more than one singular compatible upgrade option for a nearly 8 year old machine.
We’re talking about a $100-200 upgrade (at least) for literally no appreciable gain to FPS. Again, it’s throwing good money after bad. Laptops have a lifespan, and this one has reached it - while it can be babied and used for a few more years before the battery can’t hold a charge, it’s primary function is now so degraded that adding anything to make it “better” is a sheer waste of money. Price per FPS gained is a real world consumer metric to be considered here, and it dictates that this is a bad idea.
But beyond that, I’m saying objectively that this laptop WILL NOT gain 10-15 FPS from any RAM upgrade, period - unequivocally. I don’t care if they were playing at 60FPS or 15FPS, unless the memory (or speed of memory) was a major limiting factor of the performance of this particular laptop in 3D applications, which it most certainly was not - that would be the Nvidia 930MX doing that and the coffin it lives in. I don’t care if technically on paper there should be a 1-3FPS gain, it’s still not gonna play out like that IRL, and would be a terrible waste of money (even if just to see/try).
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@SemlerPDX @arty lets also bust the myth that faster ram makes any observable performance difference to gameplay, especially fps, unless you’re going from ancient ram speeds to fairly modern.
I would say for BMS that 8->16gb will make a difference but after that, no.
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If this is the right part (?) would definitely pay $20 for a second stick of 8Gb
https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/dell/latitude-14-(5480)
Maybe $80 for 32Gb kit, but only because I’m a dev running compilers and debuggers and virts and stuff… not because it would make BMS run better.
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@rubbra said in Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?:
@SemlerPDX @arty lets also bust the myth that faster ram makes any observable performance difference to gameplay, especially fps, unless you’re going from ancient ram speeds to fairly modern.
I would say for BMS that 8->16gb will make a difference but after that, no.
That’s not a myth, that’s a fact.
But it is not as simple as “fast ram make FPS go BRRRR!”
Upgrading your RAM to a higher speed can improve your gaming performance, especially if you have a fast gaming computer with a slow RAM.
The speed of your RAM affects the overall performance of your computer, including the frames per second (FPS) in games - it is merely not the most affective component in what makes for a computer with high FPS. By upgrading to a higher speed RAM, you can increase the bandwidth and reduce the latency, which can result in faster load times and smoother gameplay. However,
other factors such as your CPU and GPU also play a role in determining your FPS, so upgrading your RAM alone may not always result in a significant improvement.It certainly won’t for this old laptop in any worthwhile way compared to the cost of the upgrade (even if $80). But if $20 is all it takes to learn this first hand, it’s money well spent - even if the only thing gained is knowledge.
Your system can literally be bottlenecked by the speed of the memory, when all other components are powerful enough to handle more data than the memory can provide (at a rate required to keep up). When all other ducks are in a row, you want the fastest and lowest latency memory you can afford at a capacity that is appropriate for what you use your system for.
That’s just not the case with this laptop, and again, that money is better spent saving for the next system or a component in the next system.
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@Sniper-0
I think the gist of it is — if you have 1GB RAM, then upgrading to 2GB RAM will improve performance. If you have 32GB RAM, then upgrading to 64GB RAM won’t do anything. At 8GB, you’re right at that cusp that 16GB will give you a bit more breathing room and you will probably see an improvement.How much improvement? It depends. More RAM may also mean you can have more programs running alongside your sim, so you may end up with the same FPS but with more stuff running in the background.
The bottom line here is value-for-money. If you don’t mind spending that money that’s burning a hole in your pocket, then go for it. If money/value is an issue, that money spent may not bring enough FPS improvement to warrant the cost.
Now in your specific instance, are you maxxing out your RAM? If so, then more RAM can help. However, if your CPU/GPU is running at max and your RAM is just there at 1/2 or 1/3 full, then more RAM won’t do anything. It’s not always a clear-cut answer.
Hope that helps a bit!
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@SemlerPDX no, it’s a myth. The observable performance difference is negligible. Sure if your system supported all the ddr specs, you could go from, say ddr2 to ddr 4 and see a big difference but within the same spec, bumping up a few MHz is utterly pointless; a few fps at best.
(but I completely agree about this particular laptop, though an upgrade to 16gb would extend its useful life for BMS for a bit)
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@rubbra My prev desktop, Intel i7-9700F, I upgraded from DDR4-2166 to -3600 and it made a noticeable difference – it bluescreened on boot… lol
Seriously, after turning speed down to 3200, it was ~5% improvement. Not worth the +$200 or so price-premium I paid, at the time, but it was measurable. (That was a pretty extreme jump within the DDR4 range, to be sure.)
Eventually I was able to reuse those sticks, at their full potential, in my new Ryzen 5900X rig … so I got some future-proofing value I guess. But they are probably half the price now vs when I bought them, so, not really…
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@airtex2019 Depends on initial fps. If it is 20 fps then even a 20% gain is waste of money for an extra 4 fps.
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@airtex2019 very pompous declarations here.
How exactly do you define that an upgrade is not worth the money. Have you asked the guys going for those upgrades (that with used hw can be half the prices u mention or even lower) have the money to make a total upgrade or buy a new computer system?So please dive your fingers to your mind first before posting.
No one said that with increasing and upgrading ram you will have an enormous fps increase. For some guys even few fps gain or retaining fps when new features come in is more than enough and happy with it.
It’s not a hw selling and promoting site here nor a disrespectful place for guys that are tight on money. though flight sims and no money for hw is contradictory.
I have laptops at work and home, I have upgraded ram and I have seen performance gain in general specially when I went from lower speed to the max higher speed that the MB supports. Haven’t tested falcon cause flight sims are not for laptops and It’s not worth the time spent just to see how it goes since I will not use it.
I had tested it in the past in 4.35 or 4.36 iirc and even with intel’s cpu gfx was playable.So your no is just your opinion exactly as my yes is also an opinion.
In general laptops are not for flight sims and gaming but guys here will argue this as I see many use laptops for gaming and flight sims… so if it works for you ok… I personally wouldn’t
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@Arty said in Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?:
please dive your fingers to your mind first before posting.
I shared a link to buy for $20 and agreed that’s a no brainer upgrade. What more do you want me to say?
ps if anyone is curious, remember you can run MSConfig.exe to limit your ram to 8gb for testing purposes. (reboot reqd… and don’t forget to undo it later )
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@rubbra said in Will RAM upgrade improve FPS?:
@SemlerPDX no, it’s a myth. The observable performance difference is negligible. Sure if your system supported all the ddr specs, you could go from, say ddr2 to ddr 4 and see a big difference but within the same spec, bumping up a few MHz is utterly pointless; a few fps at best.
(but I completely agree about this particular laptop, though an upgrade to 16gb would extend its useful life for BMS for a bit)
Try it: underclock your system memory to base DDR4 speeds, run some benchmarks (which include 3D as well as without), and then bump it back to whatever rated speed you run it at, and run those same benchmarks again. You will see the difference (whatever that may be).
It’s not a primary component to improve for FPS gain, but also who the heck anywhere would notice a change of 2-5 or even 5-10 FPS gained? I understand what you mean regardless, it is indeed a slight difference and ostensibly negligible. I agree that it may be so slight that it is only noticeable in benchmark results and not in an IRL situation such as playing an old (heavily updated) combat flight simulator.
Point is, however, it’s not a myth for every person and every configuration of components - but equally it is not a place to expect particularly marked observable performance gain as the ability to notice such slight differences is gonna come down to the individual. It’s also going to be more noticeable for games which are memory intensive, obviously, because if the speed of the memory is a limiting factor, the change will be more noticeable (or “observable”).
I totally get what you are saying: ya don’t spend money for faster RAM in hopes of increasing FPS … but that doesn’t apply to all scenarios across the board, and there are situations that would suggest that applying such a blanket statement that noticeable gaming performance gain by way of increased memory speed is a myth would be a gross oversimplification. There is too much nuance for me to agree that it is a myth, too many case scenarios where it would not be, if you get what I mean.
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Chiming in just to add some context to the debate:
First in OPs case from pure BMS point of view i t’s rather pointless excercise. Extra 8GB of RAM is great quality of life upgrade to daily work/office type tasks. But it won’t make BMS much more playable. I think GPU here would be the bottleneck.
In general using faster memory in laptops is not really worth it, unless it has only integrated GPU and is used for gaming (which modern CPUs APUS can do quite well in expectations are kept in check)
Mainly because laptops rather won’t support any overclocking and most of the gains would be in that territory.
However it makes sense in desktop PC where using fast, low latency memory can bring even over 10% of extra performance depending on application. It’s especially important for non-3d cache Ryzen CPUs where double-digit of % difference is quite a norm.