F-14D Cockpit
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@611-eagle:
Yes for new model and cockpit : http://imageshack.us/a/img855/7945/f14d01.jpg
Still wip for all and new ab flame…
Damn,I’ve just finish my recent paint work on the original one!XDDDD
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<big grin=“”>Thanks! If you ever get a chance, picking up a copy of “Persain Cats” from the bookstore or the library (I could be remembering the title wrong, but the author of the blog references the same book, so the citation is in there) is a good, short read. We often contest foreign combat performances and figures, but as many articles he’s written out and substantiated to a fair degree point out, combat reports from most any nation are questionable at best in most cases. But, if “Persain Cats” is a proper analysis, the F-14 is truly one heck of a fighter, and Iran had and has some truly great pilots. It’s just a shame that fear-mongering and underhanded politics have resulted in the trashing of a valuable asset for the US Navy:
From my trip to the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB as a cadet in 2008, I think.</big>
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I’m still reducing and i’ll share low res results soon…
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@611-eagle:
I’m still reducing and i’ll share low res results soon…
very funny LOL……
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@611-eagle:
A gift….
I’m still reducing and i’ll share low res results soon…
Hahaha, don’t forget the DOFs… :rofl:
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i wee bit of motivational video
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Quite an interesting read…
http://theboresight.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/iran-satellites-and-tomcats.html
Credit goes to Thaeris for recommending the blog in the first place…
Pepe
interesting or amusing?
it reckons that the F-14 never lost a dogfight to the F-16 or F-15…
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Yes great article up to the point that they mention this… It makes you re-think of everything above…
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not so sure. the cadence makes me think of skynight…
the manner in which it is written, and the lack of reputable sources, makes me write off most of the “claims” in the article.
nice pictures though.
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Just said interesting…
I agree the article seems a bit biased but you just need to take the parts you want
I personally liked to learn a bit more about the Iranians Tomcats!
Pepe
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every claim about any plane, not having lost a dogfight against any contemporary opposition it ever flew against, if true, would go solely as a credit to its pilots. Just one look at the flight envelopes of every plane designed from the start of the 70’s to the start of the 90’s is enough to tell you how close these birds are in the overall performance
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or in this case, as a credit to the hyperbole of the speaker.
if true on the other hand, It would definitely be the result of the pilots’ skill.
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yeah, exactly!
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interesting or amusing?
it reckons that the F-14 never lost a dogfight to the F-16 or F-15…
Where do you derive that claim from? I can’t recall reading anything of that sort in the article. Note that for Iran, the F-15 might not have been as good a choice for several reasons. The principal points the author identifies as being major criteria for selecting the '14 over the '15 was the weapons system. I’d also consider the F-14 as a superior fighter for large area air superiority, more so than the F-15. Therefore, where Israel might benefit from the F-15 over the relatively small area it has to defend, the Tomcat can cover a much greater area, and Iran is certainly a much larger country.
I noted before (or tried, probably unsuccessfully) that one of the key resources the autor cited was this book by Osprey Publishing:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Iranian_F_14_Tomcat_Units_in_Combat.html?id=MCzk0cARvjAC
*EDIT:
Ah, I see the phrase in question:
“But the F-14 remains an impressive machine. During dogfight exercises at low level, the F-14 always beat the F-15, the F-16, and also out-flew the MiG-29 (reportedly the reason Iran ordered so few MiG-29s).”
…Which is hard to notice, because it’s at the close of the article. This is a general statement, clearly. I recall talking to a former F-14 pilot at an airshow who was currently flying the F/A-18F. His remarks indicated that the F-14 would outrun and then catch the F-111 at low level, something Aardvark pilots would vehemently deny. Of course there was also the battle of which was better, the F-14 or the Eagle. Being an F-14 pilot himself, it was pretty clear he thought the 'Cat was the better aeroplane in many regards.
So, it is true that this statement doesn’t have as much substance as others in the article, but it may be running off generalizations of combat exercises in the US (or those with US allies). Don’t forget how many battles go back and forth between what’s better: the F-16 or one of the MiG-29 family, or even the F/A-18 and the MiG-29 family. It’s an argument that goes back and forth all the time, and it’s highly dependendent on the flight regime each particular aeroplane is operating in. Furthermore…
…At high speed, low-level, the F-14 will always beat the F-15 or 16 with respect to performance. This is due to the virtures of the variable-geometry wing, both reducing drag and increasing wing loading (which is good in this case, due to the thick atmosphere at low level). The '15’s fixed wing will put the aeroplane under a great deal of stress (one of the key arguments against replacing the F-111 with the F-15E), while the F-16 suffers from a fixed intake. Now, what happens after departure from high-speed flight at low level may be a different story, but there is a bit of truth to that claim.
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it reckons that the F-14 never lost a dogfight to the F-16 or F-15…
I have to laugh on this comment. F-5 and A-4 were hard opponent in many cases.
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yeah, but even so, if you are up there in a (D)ACT sortie, and you’re flying against F-14s, you’re not gonna be best served by diving for the deck, are you.
having a discussion on BFM of the tomcat is a bit silly, given its purpose, but the point still stands - experience counts for a lot. performance helps. I recall a story told in the Art of the Kill book, where the author recounts a BFM flight where he was the IP. Now, in the USAF, any BFM sortie is required to be set up so that there is a clear role for each pilot - the student will specifically be an attacker, for example, or specifically a defender, for each event.
In this case, the student was the attacker. Seeing as neither pilot would start with a 3/9 line advantage, the solution they used was that the IP would use only MIL power, he would not use reheat. The student objected; He felt that that would make it “Too easy”.I’ll bet you can imagine how that made a qualified IP feel, that this recruit barely out of IQT thought that he would be “Too easy” to kill. He restrained himself, however he made his point in the following engagement. they started with a head on scenario; the IP used his smaller turning circle to great effect.
even at low level, the difference would still not let the F-14 fly circles around other aircraft, especially not an F-16.
Ill have to find the text from the book, as it was an interesting engagement…
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I bet that there is no aircraft in the world which has not been “downed” at least once in a simulated air combat. I can list many reasons why I can say this. The most simple is the lack of SA in air combat. Any fighter can be downed easily as long as the “downed” pilot is not aware where is the “enemy”. In many vs. many cases this is not so hard. During AIMVAL/ACEVAL hundreds of dogfights were conducted and in many vs. many cases F-14 and F-15 can reach about overall 2:1 kill ratio in 2 vs 4 and 4 vs 4 or 6 vs 6 cases. This means dozens of “killed” F-15 and F-14…
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I don’t think anyone would contest that, Molni.
Again, I think it’s an over-generalized assesment based on criteria or a standpoint which has not been well-defined, or even defined at all. The best way to figure out or pick apart what the author of the blog was saying in that instance would probably be to shoot him an e-mail.
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Thaeris is most sensible. Also, and I apologize if I’m just stupid and am missing the obvious, but is there a DL link to Mykinge’s fantastic-looking Tomcat pit anywhere? Feel like I’ve gone through this whole thread and found nary a link to it…
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It has not been finished and even it will be somebody have to make an installer to see in core DB as long as BMS4 Team won’t integrate into them.
It will be integrated into my MOD, currently a late January state has been put into the test version of MOD.