Are tanks sitting ducks in real life.
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Explosive reactive armor helps out, plating helps out, funny angles help out, … more modern tanks aren’t as easy to kill as the sim wants you to think. If WWI or II era, that’s a different story.
Hammer1 - ca as in CANADA, Central Africa Republic or CALIFORNIA? Keep positive energy flowing out, and do your best not to dwell on the bad. If your son is in a modern tank I’d worry more about the smell of the crew that’s driving in it for days on end. That can’t be pretty. He’s better protected than someone in the open if the rounds start comming down.
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details of the M-1’s armor is classified
and for good reason
i have it on good authority that our tankers are… “well protected”
those guys are definitely in harm’s way - don’t misunderstand ---- but the M-1 has a lot of advantages on the battlefield
how many tanks have you heard about in iraq/afganistan? how many “other” vehicles
mm-hmm - thought so…
[[ oh wow… googled how many tanks have been destroyed in iraq - got this… [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams
"Nearly all sources claim that no Abrams tank has ever been destroyed as a result of fire from an enemy tank, but some have certainly taken some damage which required extensive repair. "
heh! think the F-15C has a great combat record?? try the M-1!!
i think your son will be just fine senor hammer ]]
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Hammer1 - ca as in CANADA, Central Africa Republic or CALIFORNIA?.
-BabiteDana Point, California. Southern California, below Los Angeles: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dana+Point,+CA/@33.5589822,-117.759233,10z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x80dcf08fba64fd89:0xe42eb4bc7001fa15
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just north of camp pendleton
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how many tanks have you heard about in iraq/afganistan? how many “other” vehicles
But how many of them had real battles and real enemies, not just victims? Same with F-15 in Iraq… if you just have victims and no real enemies it is easy to make a good markating Shooting down Mig that are running away is like Shooting guys in the back… that is nothing to be proud of…
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But how many of them had real battles and real enemies, not just victims? Same with F-15 in Iraq… if you just have victims and no real enemies it is easy to make a good markating Shooting down Mig that are running away is like Shooting guys in the back… that is nothing to be proud of…
I think if you suited up in a F-15 over Iraq during Desert Storm you would’n’t be saying that F-15s haven’t fought in any “real battles” :). Besides, most of the F-15 kills were by Israel anyway up close with AIM-9s/Pythons/Guns.
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I think if you suited up in a F-15 over Iraq during Desert Storm you would’n’t be saying that F-15s haven’t fought in any “real battles” :). Besides, most of the F-15 kills were by Israel anyway up close with AIM-9s/Pythons/Guns.
I doubt Iraqis had AWACS, thats a huge advantage Iraqis didnt have, plus a vast superiority in numbers. As far as air battles i think Vietnam and Falklands were far more balanced scenarios.
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But how many of them had real battles and real enemies, not just victims? Same with F-15 in Iraq… if you just have victims and no real enemies it is easy to make a good markating Shooting down Mig that are running away is like Shooting guys in the back… that is nothing to be proud of…
excuse me??
i think you misunderstood the reason for my post – the guy was saying his son was in tanks - i showed him a cool statistic about how not a single M-1 has been destroyed in battle
yes, we lose humvees and trucks etc to IEDs - but you never hear about a tank being hit ------ i’d say his son is gonna be alright
this isn’t about how much bigger ours is than theirs, ok?
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its not only about tank, but also about used amunition…IIRC Iraq had T-72, but without modern SABOT ammo…in such a scenario u need much more well placed hits - add better blue SA and air superiority, desert terrain (armor is nicely illuminated for flir after hot day, no clouds )…
Another thing is, where is the ammo stored. In abrams it is rather outside of main tank armor => better post penetration survival chance for crew, but someone said there is a risk for tank disabling even after well aimed higher-calibre machine gun or BVP cannon hit. In Eastern “T” series, ammo is stored inside, means harder to hit, but when hit no chance for crew (big boom and flying turrests) - cold war era approach…
BTW Try to find info about battles in Fallujah…even most modern Abrams were lost there …urban scenerio is very dangerous for tank, even with infantry support.
Higly populated, Eu type cover(biotop) scenario, Eu type weather (usually clouds) and well trained troops using cammo net masking(+foliage cover) = much higher chance for tank and much higher risk especialy for Gunships (manpads see the heli, but heli cant see them all)
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Check Liveleak.com threads Ukraine and Syria for Russian tank type vulnerability and urban tank operations,
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i know it……did not say T series is better in my post
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The PL-01 has a fighting chance.
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Here’s another…
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The ability to camoflage ones thermal signature …- How long until they make the thing a drone, no actual crew inside? Or worse, comepletely self thinking? -… is insignificant next to the power of the force.
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It’s still seen by the sensor called Eyeball Mk1.
It’s still targeted by a human with AT weapons.
It still has to follow terrain allowing heavy vehicles. That makes it a 1-dimensional asset in many tactical situations, with visual line of sight required.One might ask the question: Why use a tank, when 1 -3 shots from a 155 mm howitzer with Excalibur grenades shot some 30 km behind FLOT can solve the same task without exposing it to enemy fire. Or maybe a MLRS shot/salvo ?
As long as the tank is hidden, it can really hand out some nasty surprises……
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so much expensive technology in the “PL-01”; it’s screaming for getting nuked or tank mined => abandoned.
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Just seen this, clearly an advance on active armour.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/watch-an-active-protection-system-destroy-an-rpg-fired-1609196170advance, counteradvance, advance it goes on and on….
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that was some cool videos on tanks . my son is stationed at fort Reilly Kansas he sends me videos when he is out on maneuvers but i don’t know how to get them off my phone and onto my PC