Tactical advise
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thanks Cik! That’s a good way to deal with it. I’ll put that one in my tactical notes. They were closer than 20nm though; but still. That’s a good maneuver.
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Or: FOX3 long early (little bit around Ropt, but not outside Raero) towards the ^29 at 12’clock, and support the AIM120 in a left cranck (target at right gimbals). Hopefully the AIM120 will get the ^29 AI on defensive run early. I would assume that the hostile aircraft is heading towards friendly area and you keep pressing him into that direction, eithe he’ll get killed by you if he turns hot (your second AIM120 or send your AI wingman after him) or killed by other friendly assets if he keeps running in the wrong direction.
What was your fuel state and how deep where you?
Cheers,
ScubHi Scuby, Nice one as well. We were on the egress at around 3000 pounds. The 29 on my nose was blocking my route home, and we were slightly past the FLOT. I didn’t take that into consideration actually so thanks. Beaming didn’t come to mind at that moment but it will next time! Thanks again,
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Just remember that your AIM120 may also be a powerful standoff weapon for those type of scenarios. Your best defense though is to never get surrounded. Think less deep, more support flights or frequent in flight sit. checks.
Good luck mate
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launch first at closet bogie in TWS, call element clear my six while moving your radar cursor over second closest bogie in your radar to order wingman to engage then as soon as you get pitbull prepare to engage the two behind you
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Can someone confirm that there will be raised a flght to help the caller?
If flight are available … otherwise, ATM will try to divert another flight. (But delay before help arrive can be too long to be efficient.)
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hi Jhook,
Thanks for the reply first of all.
Well, the group on my nose was at 20nm. The rest were a little closer, resp. 18, 18 and 15 miles. But all nose hot. Basically 10-20 seconds before the merge (14nm).
We got jumped litteraly and AWACS did not paint the picture fully. We only got the close bandit in the ‘request picture’ call I put out on my bomb run.
I got off two AMRAAMS, then burn to the safe zone (my 9-12) and run but they did get my wingman. It was a very tricky situation and I could not use BVR maneuvering.
So I was wondering how other pilots deal with this situation.Looking forward to the replies!
I’m sorry to say that other engage reply’s stated would not end well. You have NO TIME.
I assume each spike are 2 Mig 29’s? The only time you have is to “maddog” 2 slammers and beam to your 9 “o clock” and burn! Get low and fast! Use terrain masking if your over the FLOT heading home. You can also sacrifice your wingman/element for those Migs at your initial 3 and 5 “o clock” by clearing them out (clear my six). Run home! You are in a very bad situation with low fuel for a fight. The Migs are so close that they may have already locked you up and fired. You will end up using most of your fuel to try to extend and escape. Hopefully, the 2 slammers will put the 12 “o clock” Migs in “defensive”. That way they are occupied enough you can beam around them in your low and fast burn that they will not engage you. Once in friendly territory, land immediately!
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Can someone confirm that there will be raised a flght to help the caller?
That was a joke….
“Request Help” never has worked well for me. I never use it.
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That was a joke….
“Request Help” never has worked well for me. I never use it.
I am not sure. A time ago I gave it a try, but after that and a few minutes later I was shoot down, but AFAIR there was a added flight in the air.
I will give it a try with 2 extra 600lbs and will await what will happen… -
I am pretty noobish and have no tactical knowledge whatsoever but I really want to give my 2 cents on this subject.
Given the RWR picture from the original post, it being on egress and his relative low level on fuel I would’ve kept flying towards the 29 on his 12 o’clock until he was in Fox 3 range. Fire, beam him on your 2 o’clock and keep egressing.
It’s risky, but the plane comes first imo
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It’s risky, but the plane comes first imo
That’s bomber pilot chickenshit! Real fighter pilots go for the kill…everytime!
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Yeah I agree with that. Falcon is for aggressive tactics. If you get a missile launch then full afterburner dive then kill those Migs and to hell with playing it safe. attack attack attack
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…. the 29 on his 12 o’clock until he was in Fox 3 range. Fire, beam him on your 2 o’clock and keep egressing. …
He was 20 miles and nose hot(?) …. someone in that flight should’ve had a missile in the air already. That should be well within parameters.
The others … 15 miles, nose hot and you’re passed the FLOT with 3000 pounds … you should be running home already (following that missile that should’ve already been fired).
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That’s bomber pilot chickenshit! Real fighter pilots go for the kill…everytime!
In movies or in novel. In the real life there are risk level matrix. (one saved a/c can kill more Migs later than killing one just before taking an AA12 in the mouth.)
RL pilots are much smarter. (at least, the one I know)
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RL pilots are much smarter. (at least, the one I know)
I never claimed to be smart…or to win any dogfights. But, I always go down shooting.
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A friend of mine now flying for United was a fighter pilot F15, F16 and F4. Sure as hell will never counsel timidity.
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A friend of mine now flying for United was a fighter pilot F15, F16 and F4. Sure as hell will never counsel timidity.
Running from 4 MiG’s when it’s you carrying 3 brain-dead AI and no gas isn’t necessarily ‘timidity’.
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I count 6x MiG-29 nails, 2 front, 4 right. Shoot the front with both AMRAAM, command chainsaw on the second contact if you can find it and have time. Engage burner, pitch for 0.9M and crank left. Snip at husky. Bandits’ weapon envelopes will seriously shrink as you turn away. I’m sure fuel is a concern but being confetti is a bigger one. Based on your radar volume you’re at 24kft which is a nice place to be. If the 12oc contact is lower, consider rolling right over him as he evades.
Keep the chicks close, weapons hold, spread. If they turn to engage they’re toast. Keep climbing MAXAB at 0.9M until you’re free or below 1000lbs. 1000 should be plenty to dead stick onto an emergency recovery field if needed.
The contacts trailing the 12oc MiG are possibly no threat or friendly especially if forward is cowboy territory. If you’re lucky they’re friendly and just living and buying time will drag the MiGs into your ally’s sights.
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In movies or in novel. In the real life there are risk level matrix. (one saved a/c can kill more Migs later than killing one just before taking an AA12 in the mouth.)
RL pilots are much smarter. (at least, the one I know)It is quite refreshing to hear someone reasonable 'round here.
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In movies or in novel. In the real life there are risk level matrix. (one saved a/c can kill more Migs later than killing one just before taking an AA12 in the mouth.)
RL pilots are much smarter. (at least, the one I know)
Not only that, but in bms, your jet inventory is about to get very low quickly. 4 jets gone means less sorties for you in the future. Going out with guns “blazing” might be fun, but if your in a camp, you soon will have much fewer flights.