373 vFS Operation Phoenix Flag
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This looks very interesting !
My people of the EC 2/14 are willing to participate.
We fly the Mirage 2000D/-5 and all variations of the F-16C and we will be 4 pilots (3 actives + 1 reserve). -
We can provide 3-4 pilots from spanish EdAv
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A quick rundown of the mission and available packets:
2 Forces from the Nations of Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk ( ) are in dispute over the placement of ballistic missiles on the island of evermeet after a night naval mission. The missiles are in range of the Greyhawk mainland and as such, a great threat for the Greyhawk nation that ordered the destruction of the missiles (SA-10) and a preemptive strike on the nation of Forgotten Realms. As targets are chosen the following:
The port of Nagato
The Airport of Kadena
The Nuclear Plant of Hiroshima
AAA Battalions
SA-2 Battalions
SA-5 Battalions
SA-10 Battalions
Sprunce Class Destroyers
Perry Class Frigates
Unknown Numbers of F-16, F-15 and F-5 Fighters.Blue Force
Role: Sweep
Aircraft: 4 x Mirage 2000-5
Squadron: 373rdRole: Sweep
Aircraft: 4 x F-16C AM BAF
Squadron: Belgian Virtual TigersRole: SEAD Escort
Aircraft: 4 x F-16C Block 50
Squadron: 373rdRole: TASMO
Aircraft: 4 x F-16C Block 52+ with CFT
Squadron: 320rdRole: Deep Strike
Aircraft: 4 x Mirage 2000D
Squadron: EC 2/14Role: Deep Strike
Aircraft: 4 x Mirage 2000D
Squadron: EC 5/25ā----------------------------
Red Force
Role: Cap
Aircraft: 4 x F-16C Aggrs
Squadron: E69Role: Cap
Aircraft: 4 x F-16C Aggrs
Squadron: EdAvFor any questions etc feel free to drop me a line here or on 373rds forum.
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As force balance is 3:1 and the Sweep vs DCA is already 1:1 ratioā¦
ā¦just curious: What is the āobjectiveā of Red Forces? Like a Kill ratio of 1:1, or at least a 50% attrition on āanyā Strike Flightā¦ or to keep a especific Set of targets alive ( Hirosima Nuclear Pant or such )ā¦
Again, just curious. I think Blue has a pretty clear and standard goalā¦ but as usual REDĀ“s donĀ“t. (Maybe it has been already settle down, and you can not publish it, so BLUES wonĀ“t have it, wich make senseā¦)
IĀ“ve participated in a mission really similar to this one in the pastā¦ many many contactsā¦ lots of dancing with missiles, Strikers just playing safe or helping mesing the picture, and a lot of missiles wasted on both sidesā¦but in the endā¦ the mission was only āenjoyableā by BLUES, as REDS were scheduled to LOSE in any case.
Just make sure those Spanish Gunfighters will have something to fight forā¦something achivableā¦ or it will soon become dissapointing.
Willing to hear more and more about this wondefull initativeā¦
Keep it up! Great work guys!!!
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The reds have their own brief and will have a fair chanvce to defend from the attack. Also there are AI flights not mentioned above from both sides In any way it will be i hope an enjoyable flight for all and the second one will be better.
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Looking forward to this event already. How long before flying do you expect the final briefing to be available/distributed?
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A nice twist for this event would be to have it on EMF.
Sure a killer for the preparation but a wow on the challenge of a new terrain environment.
Also the ability of having the arena on both sea area Ionian and Aegean at the same time. -
ok from the 320th.
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THe briefing is almost finished. I need to do the changes for the new planes and will be out at least a week before the event. Arty yes one of the ideas is to have this in EMF with human awacs etc on both sides using the online squadron collection. We shall see what we can do in the future
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A nice twist for this event would be to have it on EMF.
Sure a killer for the preparation but a wow on the challenge of a new terrain environment.
Also the ability of having the arena on both sea area Ionian and Aegean at the same time.Although the terrain is extremely interesting, thereās unfortunately no French 2000s in the current EMF release
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well there are 2000 aināt? so those are French madeā¦ donāt they cover u? or u mean u want French skins and u canāt have them cause of permisions?
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Will blue guy have AGM88 or simply AGM45? Using AGM88 will unbalance more the mission indeedā¦everybody knows that BMS AGM88 is totally unrealistic, with incredible high Pk and out of earth range. What missile will be onboard?
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everybody knows that BMS AGM88 is totally unrealistic
But much fewer knows that this is BS.
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Range is high in BMS but also IRL. Missile is fast, not so heavy, and with long wings, so aerodynamically, it is good.
The seeker does not need a lot of power (passive receptor) so the battery lasts and the time of flight can be important. Personnally, I think HARM aero performance is pretty sound.Missile pK is a bit too high now indeed, especially without EMCON tactics from SAM and perfect INS.
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E69 4 pilots for red side. :headb:
Waiting news for conection and TS to have a meeting before action
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The AGM88 is the classic weapon for the SEAD missions. If you think itās unbalanced maybe the BMS Devs can take that as an to do thing for the next update. Also if you think the Red side is no good let me know and 373rd can fly the Red side
This is a mission to fly and have fun.
Thanks
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The problem is that in BMS a HARM can be fired at 70-80 nm from the SA10 at A40 and hit it with 100% Pkā¦reports from Gulf War are far away from that Pkā¦
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The problem is that in BMS a HARM can be fired at 70-80 nm from the SA10 at A40 and hit it with 100% Pkā¦reports from Gulf War are far away from that Pkā¦
First : a lot of shots done āin preventiveā.
Second : IMHO, Iām pretty sure the missile can go that far IRL.
Third : EMCON tactics, first version of HARM without INS, means that if you shut down your radar, missile cannot hit youā¦ I am pretty sure Iraqi operators quickly learned to do that.
In F4, the HARM INS was assumed perfect (and still is), that is the biggest unrealistic thing. Otherwise, I think its pretty decent.
If you think itās unbalanced maybe the BMS Devs can take that as an to do thing for the next update.
First : unbalanced does not matter, unrealistic does.
Second : wait 3-4 weeks ( ) and see
Anyway this discussion has already been beaten to death and this thread is not specifically about this
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Cruz said all.
The problem is that in BMS a HARM can be fired at 70-80 nm from the SA10 at A40 and hit it with 100% Pkā¦reports from Gulf War are far away from that Pkā¦
It is not a question of PK. It is about how HARM are used IRL (refert to Cruzās post) and radar operators are working (not implemented in BMS).
But we can agree on the fact that in BMS, HARM successfulness are higher than what we have seen IRL until now. But not only related to the missile itself.
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The problem is that in BMS a HARM can be fired at 70-80 nm from the SA10 at A40 and hit it with 100% Pkā¦reports from Gulf War are far away from that Pkā¦
Dont worry Daisan, this is just an exercise to make some friends and enjoy flying together. Lets give our best to put blue forces in a difficult situation. No problem if they have Harms or Jsow, lets kick some blue asses and take some beers after if we can