Brandnew models 2014 by TomCatz
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Okay, HEEELP! Followed the instructions just like the poster says, new model shows in LE just fine with new model/textures. When in actual game, same old model/textures…
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I don’t know if you followed the directions it should have worked. You did replace each different CT and not just the one in the example right. Are you using an add on theater? If you are you have to do in that theater’s hdr as well.
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Yup, and like I said: it shows-up in LE viewer just fine, it’s only in Tacref/Munitions Screen and Sim that is continues to show the stock model/tex…
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Get a GTX 980 you wont have any problems. Was practicing carrier traps today, held 90+ fps with all those ship models in the fleet, and Lod 0 set for 30000. So far for I have upped every vehicle lod 0 in the game to at least 5000 and have no issues. I am still waiting for the BMS version that will tax my rig.
I personally don’t like the F-15 because it is unfinished under the speed brake and the afterburner looks weird, but it never taxed my system.
Now does anyone know how to create a new parent file so the Sovi and FFG-7 can coexist.
Tax your system… in full campaign, BMS is CPU bounded and not GPU, so your 980 cycles will be of little help when it gets down there. There not borne the CPU yet that will manage BMS without loosing performance, that’s why the bubble is there BTW. Just fly with enough units in the bubble and your system will be taxed.
Releasing models without lower LODs is like letting you eat a half-baked cake.
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Okay, got it to work, was appending the .hdr from another install… : P Does anyone know if the same process will work for my FF install? This’s a much better Fulcrum .lod…
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Well,
I have an i3, 4GB RAM and a 1GB videocard. All works fine without any Problems. What is working on my old Station should work on every other System.
I tryed Balkan because that Theater looks very very fine. But alltimes it chrashed. I never replaced any model in that Theater so it should not the Problem of models in it.- too many texture tiles maybe?
Models without lower LOD`s? Sure! Because there are allready lower LODs are still in it. So its not necessary. A triangle is a triangle. Sure, replacing all stages of the LODs should generate deep Trouble and I never said or did it.
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Tom, lower LODs from different models aren’t good because it cause the DX engine to load a new set of textures for the lower LODs when they are loaded. This is bad practice, once a model textures been loaded by DX, they should be used for all LODs of the same model.
Frankly, I don’t care if one wants to release a zillion polys model for BMS, he can do that, but the least one could do is supply lower LODs for the same model, in order to reduce the extra work of loading new textures. You may find it OK even if you have a low end system, but I can tell you that I have a quite high-end one and I still find BMS being heavy in some extreme situations in campaign. Not talking about some guys with 4-5 screens to support a full cockpit, they sometimes have to disable some shaders in order to have a flyable sim. And more, if you look into the future, we are talking about 4K resolutions, and maybe some heavier shaders etc…
I don’t understand why someone as talented as yourself not taking the time to create 1 model that is built from bottom to top for BMS, you can make it 100K polys if you like (but I’ve see talented folks creating 30K tris models in awesome quality (actually I’ve see even 15K-20K tris in amazing quality but that case is a bit rare I guess) and just do it completely, I promise you that you will get much more respect from everyone for that, than releasing dozens of unfinished or half-baked models. But, at the end it’s your time and your choice, you can do whatever you like, just this is IMHO disrespect to the spirit of Falcon to release models like that.
Happy new year!
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Tax your system… in full campaign, BMS is CPU bounded and not GPU, so your 980 cycles will be of little help when it gets down there. There not borne the CPU yet that will manage BMS without loosing performance, that’s why the bubble is there BTW. Just fly with enough units in the bubble and your system will be taxed.
Releasing models without lower LODs is like letting you eat a half-baked cake.
Right now with all my modding (LOD0 to 5000+, all the high res models I can find, etc) I avg 40FPS at 7000ft on the FLOT on day 1 0700. It makes me wonder with this being cpu bound what will it run like when I build my 5930 based system later this year if I can pull this with an OCed 3770K.
Still looking for info on how to make the FFG-7 and Sovementary coexist though.
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Right now with all my modding (LOD0 to 5000+, all the high res models I can find, etc) I avg 40FPS at 7000ft on the FLOT on day 1 0700. It makes me wonder with this being cpu bound what will it run like when I build my 5930 based system later this year if I can pull this with an OCed 3770K.
OK, are you extracting displays? if yes then how many screens? if you aren’t then you are missing the other 50% fun that the sim offers. What is your monitor resolution? if 1920x1200/1080, can you run DSR in Nvidia panel to double that resolution in order to enjoy the amazing picture quality that your card can supply?
The next version of BMS may be a bit heavier in performance than current version, how many FPS drop are you getting currently with 2 IR/TV MFDs running at the same time (example TGP on left and Maverick WPN on right)?
Believe me I’m enough time around Falcon to know that there is no such thing as overkill HW for Falcon, you may get a 120 FPS in some TE, but then at some extreme campaign situation, you may suddenly drop to 20-25… sure having a 5930 CPU and 980 card will push those extreme situations to be really rare, but still, there is no such thing as “I don’t need optimization from 3D models, textures and GFX”.
and… last but not least, this sim is for everyone, and while I agree that people should get a “gaming” rig in order to run BMS, still not everyone can afford having the latest and best all the time.
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I promise you that you will get much more respect from everyone for that, than releasing dozens of unfinished or half-baked models. But, at the end it’s your time and your choice, you can do whatever you like, just this is IMHO disrespect to the spirit of Falcon to release models like that.
? Really ?
I construct, build, make templates , share it ALL to the community (including 3ds datas!) - That is my Spirit of Falcon! Dont like it? Not my problem- sorry sir!
Cheers
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You have not carriers in “your” theater. Maybe some osa II and few others. I am talking about carrier and his f15. You have my videocard cause I gave you the link to buy it. Test his carrier and his f15 and you will have fps issues. Even 30 or 40 less. You are talking about different things there are not in bfb, so I don’t really understand why to say you have not fps issue if you have not this new models replaced.
Regards
Another Mistake . I used in my campaygn 2 carrier TF and aprox more the 4 TF for side with more then 4 units for each one. I think i should know because i made that:D. Your are tryng to find some argument for a pure and simple provocation and not for a constructive discussion Dema :D, but no problem… i want rmember you an old fable:
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The Fox and the GrapesOne day a hungry fox ran next to a vineyard and saw some beautiful bunches of grapes hanging from a pergola.
- Beautiful those grapes! - Exclaimed the fox and leaped to try to grab it, but could not reach it, because it was too high. He jumped again and again and more jumped more she was hungry.
When he realized that all his efforts were of no use said - those grapes is not yet mature and immature I do not like! - And walked away with dignity, but with anger in the heart. "
Fedro
The story is written for those who despise in words what they can not have and if you want i can send you the original in Latin languageOK, are you extracting displays? if yes then how many screens? if you aren’t then you are missing the other 50% fun that the sim offers. What is your monitor resolution? if 1920x1200/1080, can you run DSR in Nvidia panel to double that resolution in order to enjoy the amazing picture quality that your card can supply?
Well i think this problem is genarally related to use of a multi diplay configuration and not to a complexity in the models, in all simulators you can have the same issue using multiple monitors.
The next version of BMS may be a bit heavier in performance than current version,
Really??? I am a little bit worried. Normally in a software upgrading the developers try to improve the use of resources before to increase the code with other lines. It’s a second time i read this statement whrote from a moderator and i’m curious.
I think it’s not mandatory for nobody to use Tom’s models but my opinion is he’s making a good work.
Happy new Year
D.
- Beautiful those grapes! - Exclaimed the fox and leaped to try to grab it, but could not reach it, because it was too high. He jumped again and again and more jumped more she was hungry.
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Great work tom. Thanks very much!
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Really??? I am a little bit worried. Normally in a software upgrading the developers try to improve the use of resources before to increase the code with other lines. It’s a second time i read this statement whrote from a moderator and i’m curious.
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That depends if it is taking a hit in performance because everything is being upgraded to higher res stuff that is understandable. I welcome it. I want this game to try to crush my rig. Right now I am trying to see how far I can push it. I-hawk brings up a great point even with my rig. I haven’t tried DSR on anything yet, so I might give that a go. I am currently limited on space and haven’t yet committed to MFDs so I am not extracting. I can see if you are running a lesser spec’ed computer how it would be hard, but TOM did put these out with templates, so I am under the impression that it was with the intention of the community being able to bring further improvements.
Speaking of Improvements seriously can someone point me to a guide to make a new parent file, because parent 20 belongs to the Sovi, and the FFG-7, as well as several other ships including the Wasp. I would really like make a new parent file so I dont have a Sovi next to a US CVN.
Final though, I really do wish I had the money to challenge no such thing as overkill for falcon. So many high-tech toys and only so much money.
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@ Danguard :
I’m speaking about real, not fable. Falcon has some rules to respect and many people, like you, they loves to don’t respect these rules and I am confused about this reason but it’s not big deal.
I am curious about the fact these models are new like the title thread says and you do good comments on fps for previous version models. Is this a costructive behave?
Interesting like a theater developer supports these kind of works and sharing politic when he knows perfectly how many fps can drops on the flot, and he should pay attentions on this like first priority.
The most important thing should be to don’t blame falcon then when a server crashes in mp or others stuffs even in sp, after installing similar things.
Another good thing should think a theater dev should be not everybody have his pc. Maybe someone have not enough money to buy “hw” parts like yours.
I think I spoke in a costructive mode, but maybe you don’t understand the falcon world.@ TomCatz : I hope you don’t take my words like offence, I always wrote good comments for your shared stuffs.
The reason why I critic those all great polys is cause me and other guys are in development for a theater with new things and models and I’d like to include your works too. With this “hi poli” work like f15 and carrier it’s impossible for us to fly in mp on a server.
So take my words like a suggest Tom for the future and of course everybody is free to create from scratch a model and then share his work, I just don’t want to pay a high value ‘fps drops’.Happy New Year Tomcatz.
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Really??? I am a little bit worried. Normally in a software upgrading the developers try to improve the use of resources before to increase the code with other lines. It’s a second time i read this statement whrote from a moderator and i’m curious.
Be worried
Software updates always have led the hardware market. Dev are always trying to improve FPS. Nothing new on that aspect
We’re Lucky the Falcon code is old and cope pretty well with current hardware, still added functionnalities will increase the memory and the hardware load.
But the community work with unfinished stuff, templates, out of specs models will even further increase that load.
It’s a question of having the big picture in mind and having multiple mod sources that don’t have the big picture in mind.
In the end, it’s your install and you do whatever you want with it. But don’t complain because of the increased load, devs are not the only ones responsible of it.
Wild modding is as wellso I am under the impression that it was with the intention of the community being able to bring further improvements.
Let’s look back and list the "finished and up to specs 3D models that the community here provided as improvement sicne the release of BMS4.32.
Let’s discard the ripped models from other sources too
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Really??? I am a little bit worried. Normally in a software upgrading the developers try to improve the use of resources before to increase the code with other lines. It’s a second time i read this statement whrote from a moderator and i’m curious.
In which SW upgrade? I work in a huge SW company and I can assure you that not everything is optimized and new things are well being added before stopping everything and trying to optimize what’s already there. That’s the difference I guess between practice and theory, in practice things are on going and you can’t just stop everything and try to optimize only, same in BMS. If we were to take a break to only optimize everything, we could well release the next version in maybe 7-8 years from now…
I think it’s not mandatory for nobody to use Tom’s models but my opinion is he’s making a good work.
Please explain how exactly? IIRC you are into modeling art no? what is so good about half-baked models? no lower LODs, some models with no animation, and TBH some of the models look “weird”, I’m not even sure if they are up to the RL measurements and shapes (e.g the F-16 in his shots looks damn weird…)
But that’s not the point here, Tom is showing bad practice to the community by picking the easy path to do things (unfinished work or half finished is what it is), this is exactly opposite to what we do in BMS, and so it’s naturally against the spirit that we try to guide the community by. If we were acting a bit more like a commercial company, we would have probably lock the hell out of the DB and making all such efforts mute, allowing only authorized stuff to get into the installer, but we aren’t going to do that because this isn’t the BMS spirit and not the Falcon one.
But well, WTH, I sound like a broken record because I still thought there is hope in that path, but was proven wrong again
Happy new year to you too.
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and… last but not least, this sim is for everyone, and while I agree that people should get a “gaming” rig in order to run BMS, still not everyone can afford having the latest and best all the time.
AMEN :headb:
discussion is repeated from time to time.What moments will be the person with a big p…c, which wants to prove to everyone that has a great hardware with 200 fps+ on bms.Who do not understand how it works bms engine.Boring.
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…(unfinished work or half finished is what it is)…
Unfortunalty we have seen this too many times (and still do) in the history of falcon.
With no offense intented at all to the EMF team (cuz you guys did a good job at large), but one such example for me was: After waiting for EMF for years, i finally had a change to install it - just to see, that the PAK map under Priorities still shows Korea. Seriously? C´mon guys, there are even threads on this forum how to fix that. Passion to detail and completion is not easy and i fully understand that too being myself in that tedious “black hole” of theater-creation, but it is important. Ok ok… i am from germany, maybe that´s why so picky in quality :). That there are no ground-units and no ground-war going on and only SAMs for such a nice endeavor, is another riddle to me. Please don´t take this as bad critics EMF. I truly hope you guys proceed in finishing everything and that it becomes a great theater, because the community needs variety conerning this matter.It’s a question of having the big picture in mind and having multiple mod sources that don’t have the big picture in mind.
I have been singing this song for quiete a while now (and got myself into arguments aswell because of it). The bigger picture in respect to BMS standards is key, because otherwise we might end up in a big uncompatible and corrupted mess. The Fank Sinatra “and i do it myyy way” mentality doesn´t really work on a community driven basis
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Without offense for nobody i think if something works is good and if something doesn’t works it’s not good it’s a very simple statement but it’s true. If something doesn’t work natuarally it deads, because nobody’ll use it, no other discussion. And from my direct experience , facts and not theory,and from what i’m reading on this forum, i see a lot of compliments for Tom’s work from a lot of users of his models. Another really important concept is indivual freedom. What’s the problem? The price for a good hardware? Very simple if i have the cash i can buy a NVIDIA Quadro, 2 NVIDIA Quadro, 3 NVIDIA Quadro… no problem i can run an installation with 10T polygons without problems. If i dont’ have cash for a new hardware i can simply play only with standard models, since in bms there is not an option for a scalable level of graphic detail. Obiouvsly this is an hyperbole and Tom’s models aren’t so heavy and i repeat, for direct experience, his models work perfectly in SP or MP without issues. Another really important concept guys, and i tell to you with all my respect for your work and without flame, i think you are moderators for rules (good behaviors, copyright infringment etc.) and not for ideas. Tom wasted and wasting his time without interest for money or other stuff, for the community, he created a personal website with a donate button but it’s not mandatory. He shared his work in any case.
Peace for allRegards
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leave the moderation to Forum moderator Danguard.