MICA flight path
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In clean configuration, at FL150 @ 540KTAS:
F-16CB52 -> 4620 lbs/min
M2000 -> 5040 lbs/minPer minute ? That’s a pretty serious fuel leak you got there DJ… :mrgreen:
So, there is indeed a very slightly higher fuel consumption for the 2000 (which is confirmed by official Snecma’s and PW’s engine consumption figures).
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… per hours sorry.
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another question re the mirage; specifically the 2000-5. does the cannon shoot slower rounds? I was offensive on a mig31 last night, and the amount of lead I had to pull was quite ridiculous - I was close enough to him, granted we were flying quite fast - 500kts or so - but it was really hard to get a solution because the pipper was off the hud…
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another question re the mirage; specifically the 2000-5. does the cannon shoot slower rounds? I was offensive on a mig31 last night, and the amount of lead I had to pull was quite ridiculous - I was close enough to him, granted we were flying quite fast - 500kts or so - but it was really hard to get a solution because the pipper was off the hud…
The 30mm DEFA554 fitted to the Mirage has a muzzle velocity about 200m/s slower than the 20mm M61 of the F-16. The GIAT-30 used on the Rafale has a muzzle velocity comparable to the M61.
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Hi everyone,
We could believe that the french missiles has been willingly nerfed to offset the advantage of the Mirage 2000 in dogfight against the F-16.
I was litteraly playing with him but in an F-16 (against another human, same level as me), I had diffucult to put myself in his 6.I’d recommend getting some additional handling time in the F-16, if you’re having any problems with a mirage in WVR air combat.
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I think it’s not a matter of handling time, it rather sounds like the usual beginner’s mistake of believing that pulling the stick as hard as you can is the best way to turn. And the Mirage 2000 is a great plane if you like to pull the stick hard, though experienced dogifighters know better.
However, the Mirage 2000 instantaneous turn rate sometimes comes handy in a missile fight, especially if there’s no HMCS involved.
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Agreed. Each platform has its preferred performance envelopes, but the reference that I quoted which suggests the mirage sustains an advantage WVR is laughable at best.
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another question re the mirage; specifically the 2000-5. does the cannon shoot slower rounds? I was offensive on a mig31 last night, and the amount of lead I had to pull was quite ridiculous - I was close enough to him, granted we were flying quite fast - 500kts or so - but it was really hard to get a solution because the pipper was off the hud…
Range, aspect? 90 degree aspect at 500 knots, 6K ft range and 7G would be a fair bit of lead in the viper as well, no?
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it was 45 degrees angle off at most, and yes, i know that speed and range will affect the amount of lead needed, but despite being close, i could hardly get a shooting solution. in the end i just flew lag and reduced the angle off but it was still surprising.
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Agreed. Each platform has its preferred performance envelopes, but the reference that I quoted which suggests the mirage sustains an advantage WVR is laughable at best.
I remember a couple of times when I was dog-fighting with 16s for a couple of minutes, I couldn’t get a quick shot for some reason and I lost the energy advantage since a long time but they were still unable to get a shot… been playing with them a long time.
So having the energy advantage is neat but kinda useless if you don’t know how to fully master your aircraft (pilots I fought didn’t seem to be specifically incompetent tho). -
I remember a couple of times when I was dog-fighting with 16s for a couple of minutes, I couldn’t get a quick shot for some reason and I lost the energy advantage since a long time but they were still unable to get a shot… been playing with them a long time.
So having the energy advantage is neat but kinda useless if you don’t know how to fully master your aircraft (pilots I fought didn’t seem to be specifically incompetent tho).In any situation, especially a dissimilar aircraft wvr engagements, the outcome is heavily dependent on the conditions at the moment both fighters make contact.
In regards to the quote I referenced, it was neutral conditions in the DF training module. Under these neutral start positions, anyone struggling to fight with a mirage simply isn’t aware of the dissimilar performance capabilities between both platforms, nor utilize them in their preferred envelopes.