Where can I find the Rafale?
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the swiss only took the hornet because their country is a carrier within europe. They needed a navalized airframe
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No heresy Cruz. It is a matter of required capabilities, costs, needs and allocated budget as you know.
Here is the Swiss evaluation for 2017,
……Whatever their choice, I which them the best a/c fitting with their requirements vs budgets.
I know another comparison (Rafale is great again, but Gripen is the most cost effective):
https://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/comparing-modern-western-fighters/Outnumbering the enemy in the air
Outnumbering the enemy is depentant on generating large number of sorties. This is calculated by number of fighter aircraft procured for same amount of money times number of sorties per day per aircraft. For this comparision, 10 billion USD total procurement cost will be used.
Unit flyaway costs when adjusted for inflation to FY 2013 USD are 126 million USD for F-15C, 70 million USD for F-16C, 68 million USD for F-18C, 273 million USD for F-22A, 188 million USD for F-35A, 127 million USD for Typhoon, 95 million USD for Rafale C and 44 million USD for Gripen C, all in FY2013 USD. As a result, 10 billion USD gives 79 F-15Cs, 142 F-16Cs, 147 F-18Cs, 36 F-22As, 53 F-35As, 78 Typhoons, 105 Rafales and 227 Gripens.
Fighter aircraft is worthless if it doesn’t fly, so value required is number of sorties that given force can generate per day. Number of sorties per aircraft per day is 1 for F-15, 1,2 for F-16 and F-18, 0,5 for F-22, 0,3 for F-35, <2 for Typhoon, and 2 for Rafale and Gripen. Result is that sorties per day for 10 billion USD combined flyaway cost are 79 F-15C, 170 F-16C, 176 F-18C, 18 F-22A, 15 F-35A, <156 Typhoon, 210 Rafale and 454 Gripen. As can be seen, Gripen has significant advantage over every other fighter aircraft mentioned.
Rating is thus 1. Gripen, 2. Rafale, 3. F-18, 4. F-16, 5. Typhoon, 6. F-15, 7. F-22, 8. F-35.
…and I think they try to find replacement for F-5 (flied by reservists?), not F-18
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But as the swiss realized : why take a Gripen when a Hornet do the job just as good…. and if the Hornet is equivalent to a Gripen, the F-16 must be close too
Exactly - ditch the Hornets and get F-16E Block 60+ types :bowd:
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I know another comparison (Rafale is great again, but Gripen is the most cost effective):
https://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/comparing-modern-western-fighters/As said … much depends on requirements, and countries specific needs.
(As we well know, just to go from A to B by car, TRABANT wins in front of a Mustang LOL )
@Cruz … bad to very bad Internet access here, for me and to laugh a bit altogether … please find and post again the ridiculous advertisement YouTube videos of the Rafale, Typhoon and Grippen (found by Radium … I hope you remember) and lets start our own contest to have fun and enjoy, in community, a moment where everybody is on the same level … the level of not being serious!
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No heresy Cruz. It is a matter of required capabilities, costs, needs and allocated budget as you know.
Here is the Swiss evaluation for 2017,
Isn’t that all from here? - NWA II was done in 2009 and based on proposed upgrades for 2015?
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Ironically they are all delta wing configs with canards…
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@Cruz … bad to very bad Internet access here, for me and to laugh a bit altogether … please find and post again the ridiculous advertisement YouTube videos of the Rafale, Typhoon and Grippen (found by Radium … I hope you remember) and lets start our own contest to have fun and enjoy, in community, a moment where everybody is on the same level … the level of not being serious!
Oh yes yes yes
Dassault promotion video, a strong candidate :
I dont think we watched this one, its the less ridiculous IMO :
And the eurofighter one, my favorite : :mrgreen:
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Agree with you Cruz. As far as I remember, the Grippen vid is certainly the less ridiculous.
I hope to be able to watch them again soon!
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Hmm, by the looks of the information given by Dee-Jay and from the (few) things I’ve heard about what the Belgian F-16 successor would require, the Rafale seems to be the go-to aircraft… And apparently, our Ministry of Defence also has ideas to buy a couple of A-330MRT’s, so looks like we’ll be sponsoring the French for a while.
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gripen is not trabant, gripen is that red dressed lovely mom
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All three video’s are a bit ridiculous imho
The cheesy editing for the Rafale, the over obvious 3D and almost BMS AI like comms, and the overacting for the Eurofighter
I love the look of the Rafale since the first day I saw it. But the cockpit looks ridiculous for my taste.
As for Belgium. I don’t understand why the F-16 block ?? isn’t an option anymore. Anything else on the table now will require new shelters, new sims, new training of pilots & ground crew etc. Newer blocks of the Viper would be a lot more logic, but I assume Lockheed doesn’t want to offer them because then there’s no F-35 to sell from the same company. -
But the cockpit looks ridiculous for my taste.
Possible that you change your POV the day you put you ass inside with avionics powered. No word to explain how look the central screen.
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As for Belgium. I don’t understand why the F-16 block ?? isn’t an option anymore. Anything else on the table now will require new shelters, new sims, new training of pilots & ground crew etc.
Yeap sounds like a real money party for politicians and militants. Some bank accounts will get filled up real good.
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Possible that you change your POV the day you put you ass inside with avionics powered. No word to explain how look the central screen.
Maybe yes, I’d love to see that happen