True stick orientation?
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Not possible with CCP I’ll check to be sure but I’m almost positive that its not possible in Foxy either.
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Wondering the same with Foxy, I haven’t been using foxy for a long long time. I don’t remember seeing CCP have this option. With TARGET it is definitly doable.
Hey,
You gents do understand that the stick has no 12 deg rotation and also the force is NOT rotated.
When you pull the stick straight backwards with your arm in the armrest, that is the direction of the pitch axis.
The rotation of the sensor does not mean that this is what the pitch axis is rotated. Its not.Just build in your stick straight and let the axis be as it is. Than you are spot on.
I have plenty of time in real F-16 sims and had multiple F-16 pilots fly in my own build pit to verify this.Gr Falcas
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Hey,
You gents do understand that the stick has no 12 deg rotation and also the force is NOT rotated.
When you pull the stick straight backwards with your arm in the armrest, that is the direction of the pitch axis.
The rotation of the sensor does not mean that this is what the pitch axis is rotated. Its not.Just build in your stick straight and let the axis be as it is. Than you are spot on.
I have plenty of time in real F-16 sims and had multiple F-16 pilots fly in my own build pit to verify this.Gr Falcas
Great clarification Falcas.
So all that fusss - writting - reading - posting - linking - headbunging just for nothing.
[emoji38] we r all pathetic. :rofl:
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Aerotronics LLC might be misunderstanding about RL F-16 SSC?
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Hm… After reading what Tulkas and Falcas said, I am greatly confused.
I can understand the stick facing forward, I can feel the ergonomics there. It just feel comfortable, with any other angle either my wrist is twisted or some hat switches being hard to reach. I think it is just a coincidence that it faces forward, if it is ergonomical to put it in other angles, they’d probably do it.
I can also understand why the sensor might be rotated. When we pull, we pull along the direction of out forearm. That is natural and ergonomical. If the stick is in a position that cause your forearm to be at an angle relative to the plane’s, rotating the sensor is sensible.
I can make sense of those two factors above. It’s like how some ergonomics mouse seems to have their “long axis” being … “off”, it feels comfortable to hold that way. When you push or pull, along the direction of your forearm and not the “long axis”, the cursor moves straight up and down, because the sensor is aligned with the axis of your forearm.
Stick facing straight forward is what Tulkas and Falcas agrees. But what does Falcas mean when he say “forces are not rotated”? Does he means the force exerted through our arm? Or does he means the sensor is not rotated? the link by chihirobelmo seems to agree with Tulkas.
Sorry if my question is somewhat directed. I don’t know why this would suddenly border me so much, I just have an urge to make sense of this, even though I am happy with where I put my stick now. I don’t have a cockpit, and I am pretty sure there are two women (my mum and girlfriend) would want to splash me with a fox two (close range slap) if I ever have a thought of building one. It is just on a stool next to my office chair with arm rests removed, so F-16 ergonomics could never be applied.
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Do you understand how HOTAS Cougar works in our SIM Falcon BMS?
How do you place the stick? Facing forward.
The same is as in real.
The rest are mambo jambo technical and placement. No need to actually bother.The manufacturer for his crazy need turned the sensor then the software must translate all this. Obvious reason? Block 3d party manufacturers to create cheaper replacement parts. SO when a stick goes off… the company laughs to it’s ears saying come to papa…
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I don’t think the stick has always been oriented the way it is in later Blocks or currently…I once had a former F-16 driver tell me that just about every pilot he has instructed (that is transitioning from a center stick) will land an F-16 leaning to one wingtip down on their first try - and I forget if it was the left or right wing, but it’s always the same one. I think the funky rotation and electronics is/are an attempt to counter that tendency ergonomically over the years.
But I’ll go with Arty - unless you are building a full-on replica cockpit it really doesn’t matter…as long as the geometry is comfortable to/for you and your setup.
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Thanks Arty and Stevie, thanks for the clarification. It’s good to know some of the reasons for that Now I can sleep easier:)