Alpha Jet A Project
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Great work, Decimal…… as usual :bdance:
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Great work, Decimal…… as usual :bdance:
Thanks Freco
Still a lot of panels DOFs and switches to go but panel by panel it’s getting done.
I’m trying to make it as real as possible. And so far i’m happy with the result
Also working on the external model at the same time. Bit by bit it will be the first real Trainer for BMS Cadets and Rokkies out there
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External Model Almost Done
Moving on to the OFM and AFM side by side with the Cockpit.
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I decided to create a new Gun Pod
The old One was just to crappy with low poly count.
This one in HiDef now
Its not 3DS Max i’m working on now
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I do not want to be that guy, but…
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4021975
https://www.xpfr.org/?body=aero_accueil&av=49
I’m not just seeing some sort of coincidence here, am I?
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I do not want to be that guy, but…
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4021975
https://www.xpfr.org/?body=aero_accueil&av=49
I’m not just seeing some sort of coincidence here, am I?
the most funny thing is that portuguese airforce only have one aircraft with one number
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Guys,
If the model if free for use, according to what Decimal has stated before, I don’t see where the issue arises…He’s working hard to adapt a free model to be used in Falcon for everyone that might be interested in it, right? I don’t see why do we always have to reinvent the wheel…
Shouldn’t we be thankful, instead of just bashing?
Just my humble opinion…
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OK
Topic is now closed no more, news here from this project.
Only for POH users PM if anything new comes along.
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I don’t know why you are getting upset.
If that isn’t the same model then you may simply prove it.
If it is then you need to have a WRITTEN permission from the original author that you may use it and built on it. That is a must exist rule in order to speak about such model on this forum.If it is yours, you should be proud of it, if not then you should have permission, it’s as simple as that. If it’s on the gray side then you are right, it can’t be posted here.
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I don’t know why you are getting upset.
If that isn’t the same model then you may simply prove it.
If it is then you need to have a WRITTEN permission from the original author that you may use it and built on it. That is a must exist rule in order to speak about such model on this forum.If it is yours, you should be proud of it, if not then you should have permission, it’s as simple as that. If it’s on the gray side then you are right, it can’t be posted here.
I don’t have to prove anything to anyone.
As stated it will not be posted nothing more. Here. I’m upset because that why BMS community its years back on its developement. I’m just showing i bit of my work.
I will not share any download link for it since its not official even among POH development team so. Im sorry because i thought that’s this is a free community but its more like some kind of Supreme Court were everything is analyzed to last detail.
If you see far back in this topic, many many 3D work were done from scratch and it will be a much better model (inside and outside) than the original.Once again sorry for this topic ever existed in the first place.
If there are so many 3D modelers around here maybe someone can make a Alpha Jet from scratch ever better than this one and be a official add on for the community.
As for me i will continue my work in the shadows of this forum.
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Just consider that BMS needs to be very careful to ensure that it does not violate its agreement with the copyright holder. Adding, discussing or approving of models without appropriate provenance and rights can lead to Falcon BMS’ license to be revoked.
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Just consider that BMS needs to be very careful to ensure that it does not violate its agreement with the copyright holder. Adding, discussing or approving of models without appropriate provenance and rights can lead to Falcon BMS’ license to be revoked.
On this context decimalminimal (and not only you) every 3d modeler contributor to falcon must welcome and face doubts and even copyright accusations.
It might be considered as a negative, from the 3d Dev, but it’s just a step in the process of contribution.
So get over it please and thank you.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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There is no problem with à développer saying clearly
« I buy a model , I checked all the rights, we can use it in BMS, lets adapt it »
But when a guy is saying
« I am making a model » , pretending to do it from scratch , but then we discover he actually uses another model without saying , how can we trust he checked all the rights and licences ?
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As stated it will not be posted nothing more. Here. I’m upset because that why BMS community its years back on its developement. I’m just showing i bit of my work.
… Im sorry because i thought that’s this is a free community but its more like some kind of Supreme Court were everything is analyzed to last detail.
If you see far back in this topic, many many 3D work were done from scratch and it will be a much better model (inside and outside) than the original.Once again sorry for this topic ever existed in the first place.
If there are so many 3D modelers around here maybe someone can make a Alpha Jet from scratch ever better than this one and be a official add on for the community.
As for me i will continue my work in the shadows of this forum.
(Emphasis added)
So, it seems you are saying that this is not your original work, but an improvement of someone else’s model?
I don’t have to prove anything to anyone.
Well, for stuff that lives on your hard drive, and only your hard drive, that is accurate. But for stuff that you intend to distribute to others, you will need to prove that you are not using someone else’s model without their permission. That is a pretty clear rule for this forum, and its not like its a recent change.
What is frustrating is that had you contacted the original modeller (copyright holder) and asked for permission to modify their model and distribute it on another platform, and offered them the credit as the author, they would probably have been thrilled to see more people using their model.
@Nuno:
Guys,
If the model if free for use, according to what Decimal has stated before, I don’t see where the issue arises…He’s working hard to adapt a free model to be used in Falcon for everyone that might be interested in it, right? I don’t see why do we always have to reinvent the wheel…
Fortunately, there is no requirement to reinvent the wheel!
if you have a model which is licensed to be used however you want, then you can adapt that model for use in Falcon freely.
If you have a model which is copyrighted by someone else (this is the default state of every model, unless the creator announces that their work is public domain), then you need a license from the copyright owner to use their model. Generally, when a model is offered somewhere for download, there is a license offered along with it - and this license explains what your rights are, what you can do with the model (which remains the intellectual property of the creator).
If the creator doesnt offer a license with the model, then you may be liable for copyright infringement! As an end user, you may not care much. After all, what are the chances the creator will contact you specifically and complain about your use of their model? But if you then start distributing that model, without a license permitting you to do so, then you are more of a target. If BMS as a website hosts links to a model, they are distributing it… which is why the terms and conditions do not permit you to link to such things on this forum.
Lets look at an example of a License. JanHas helpfully includes a User License with his models in the download (although he really should make the license available separately, so people can view it before downloading the model).
Terms and Conditions of Use You agree to access, acquire, and use the Content under the following Terms and Conditions: These Terms and Conditions constitute a legal Agreement between You and Jan "JanHas" Has. Jan "JanHas" Has grants You a non-exclusive, nontransferable license to use and display the Content according to the Terms and Conditions of this Agreement. [size][b] You may, subject to the Terms and Conditions of this Agreement, access and acquire the Content and use the acquired Content for the following purposes, provided you do not violate the rights of any third party: in magazines and newspapers, and on book covers. As a design element on a website, or CD-ROM. [/b][/size] You may only distribute the Content, electronically after notification to Jan "JanHas" Has. You may not authorize any third party to use the Content for any purpose or resell, or sublicense. You may not, under any circumstances, use Content in connection with any pornographic or immoral materials. You understand and acknowledge that neither Jan "JanHas" Has, nor anyone acting on behalf of the Jan "JanHas" Has has made any representation or warranty that Your use of Content will not infringe or violate the trademark rights of any third party, or constitute a false designation of origin or any other form of unfair competition, and (b) You understand that You, or others representing you, may not profit from the use or distribution of Content in any commercial venture, and (c) You understand that You may not use Content in any product destined for sale in The Netherlands or any other country. You understand that Content is copyrighted, and any unauthorized use by you may be an infringement of such copyright. You understand and agree that Jan "JanHas" Has may, in his sole discretion, (a) monitor anything your use of the Content for any violation of this agreement. The Content is made available to you "AS IS," "AS AVAILABLE," and "WITH ALL FAULTS." Jan "JanHas" Has, and anyone else associated with him disclaims, to the fullest extent permitted by law, any and all warranties, express or implied, including without limitation warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, or noninfringement. When you acquire or unzip the Content, you do so at your risk. Jan "JanHas" Has, and anyone else acting on behalf of Jan "JanHas" Has also disclaims any and all common-law duties, including without limitation duties of reasonable care and workmanlike effort. In no event will Jan "JanHas" Has, or anyone else associated with Jan "JanHas" Has be liable for any indirect, special, incidental, economic, or consequential damages arising out of the use, or inability to use, the Content, even if Jan "JanHas" Has has been advised of the possibility of such damages. In no event will the liability of anyone associated with Jan "JanHas" Has exceed the amount paid by you for accessing or using Content from Jan "JanHas" Has. Because some jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the above limitation may not apply to you. You represent and warrant that: You will not use the Content in any way that is not permitted by this Agreement; Your use of the Content will not violate any applicable law or regulation of any country, state, or other governmental entity; You agree to defend and indemnify Jan "JanHas" Has, and anyone else associated with him free and harmless from any and all claims, liabilities, costs, losses, damages, or expenses, including attorneys' fees and expenses, arising in connection with Your use of the Content and this Site or of any breach or alleged breach of any representation, warranty, or other promise made by You in this Agreement. This Agreement constitutes the entire agreement between You and Jan "JanHas" Has regarding its subject matter. Should any provision of this Agreement be held to be void or invalid, that fact will not affect any other provision, and the remainder of this Agreement will be construed to most closely give effect to the parties' intentions. Failure by Jan "JanHas" Has to enforce any provision of this Agreement will not be deemed a waiver of future enforcement of that or any other provision. The artwork and models contained within are royalty-free.
As we can see, the license explains clearly what you are and are not permitted to do with the models. In this case, this is the license for the Launch Viper 3 CM-52 version 4.
As we can see, we can only use this model “in magazines and newspapers, and on book covers. As a design element on a website, or CD-ROM.”
Pretty restrictive, but thats the License terms. So we cannot use this license to include launch vipers models in a distribution of a BMS theater, for example. Or even link to Launch Vipers on the BMS forums.
In practice, this is not a great license, because in many jurisdictions the terms are not legal, and its an example (I suspect) of someone writing their own boilerplate. Generally, if you are distributing your work, you should select an appropriate license that covers your users requirements and retains all the rights you want. There are many standard licenses already written - MIT, GPL, the range of Creative Commons licenses… The selection is wide enough there are even websites to help with finding one! https://choosealicense.com/
Of course, that assumes that you hold the copyright and have the option of deciding what permissions you want to grant your users. If you are modifying someone else’s work, then you are stuck with whatever permissions they give you. If that isnt enough, then contacting them may be helpful - they may offer you a less restrictive license, or specific permissions.
If that doesnt work for your circumstances, I cant really help that. Would you like it very much if I came into your house and started modifying your kitchen without permission? How about if I started handing out your cutlery to other people? Im guessing in both cases, as the owner of the kitchen, you would be pretty upset! Perhaps you might think I should really build my own kitchen, rather than using yours.
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Just consider that BMS needs to be very careful to ensure that it does not violate its agreement with the copyright holder. Adding, discussing or approving of models without appropriate provenance and rights can lead to Falcon BMS’ license to be revoked.
That’s a perfect example of a constructive statement, simple and direct. Deserving everyone’s attention and appreciation.
Thank you, Pumpyhead.Would you like it very much if I came into your house and started modifying your kitchen without permission? How about if I started handing out your cutlery to other people? Im guessing in both cases, as the owner of the kitchen, you would be pretty upset! Perhaps you might think I should really build my own kitchen, rather than using yours.
And that’s a perfect example why, most of the times, it’s preferable to end a debate in this forum before it even starts…
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I never made any statement that i will share this work in the BMS community, much less with the support of the BMS Dev. Team.
No link will be available for anyone, and and as cleared this is not BMS development its decimal development in its own hard drive.
Only mistake i made was in fact have the pride in the first place to show my work around this.
I must do what others do here and i will say:
Third parties are not eligible to request this model to be used in their theater, unless this Alpa Jet is a part of an official BMS release, after upon clearing data and model permissions. -
@Nuno:
That’s a perfect example of a constructive statement, simple and direct. Deserving everyone’s attention and appreciation.
Thank you, Pumpyhead.@Nuno:
And that’s a perfect example why, most of the times, it’s preferable to end a debate in this forum before it even starts…
Totally agree!!!
Never ceases to amaze me in this forum, that person’s that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand are here sharing/spouting their wisdom, posting rules or just plain jibberish, when really only the BMS team or someone like Pumpy, WaveyDave, should be the ones to address something like this.
Pretty sure they can handle it without the peanut gallery’s input!!!
C9
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On another topic.
The next airplane that i will adapt to BMS is tha CASA C-101 for the Spanish Air Force.
The model in question is abridged on the GNU General Public License and all freedom is conceded to modify and share so i expect no further inquiries regarding this model when the time comes.
Also to close for now the issue. I’m already in conversation with the original author of the AJET.
If a yes comes along you should expect a full written permission in this topic. If not i will continue my work in the dark for me and me only on my hard drive.
Thank you very much to all
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Do take note that the freedoms associated with the GPL do come with requirements of their own - you need to provide attribution to the original author(s), source files so others can modify the model further if they wish, and the biggest problem is that the GPL requires that you only use the work in conjunction with “compatible” software. Im guessing the C-101 model you are looking at is the Flightgear one? It works for Flightgear because flightgear is also GPL software. You could distribute the model for use in BMS, but you couldnt distribute the model IN a BMS theatre, as BMS is not open source.
Good luck with your conversion!
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Do take note that the freedoms associated with the GPL do come with requirements of their own - you need to provide attribution to the original author(s), source files so others can modify the model further if they wish, and the biggest problem is that the GPL requires that you only use the work in conjunction with “compatible” software. Im guessing the C-101 model you are looking at is the Flightgear one? It works for Flightgear because flightgear is also GPL software. You could distribute the model for use in BMS, but you couldnt distribute the model IN a BMS theatre, as BMS is not open source.
Good luck with your conversion!
No problems so far. I read the whole document.
As for the sorce code simple you have LE for BMS and you can modify, export or do wherever you want with the model.
As for the last i dont read anything about open source restrictions.
Even if true non oficial theaters for bms are excluded since even they are not accepted official.
Its not the flight gear one but an already modified version for xp11
We are sayling very gray areas here. My conclusion is there is no such freedom here even if you have a full free model available.