Harrier checklists?
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Is there any checklists for the 4.34 harrier somewhere?
I’m aware of the PDF in the doc folders, I’m looking at SOP from ppl actually flying the harrier in 4.34.
Any input will be useful, thanks -
Hi, RD,
Does this help…?
https://info.publicintelligence.net/AV-8B-000.pdf -
Maybe VMA-255 has something it’s a Virtual Squadron that i think fly nearly exclusevly Harrier in BMS
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thanks guys, I have the real docs, I’m looking at BMS specifics.
VMA-255 are off this forum air as far as I can tellSo still looking
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Red Dog, What do you need exactly ? I fly Harrier … long time
Startup is same (similar) as F16 , … backup UHF is reversed channel 1 = 9 , 4 = 6 , 5 = 5 wow … and counting down, … backup TACAN works out of the box ,
you may need adjust IFF in “plane”.dat so it fits f16 or f18 … otherwise is non-existent.
Also , You have no IFF controls in 3d pit , but keys work , so no biggie there. …Hardpoints distribution, left/right, are not quite correct ( 1 2 3 4 5 - 6 7), … should be 1 2 3 - 4 - 5 6 7. (4a & 4b are reserved for gun pod , integrated in model, so they don’t exist as hardpoints)
Missing “Formation lights” 5 pos knob , again keys work … would like “blue” formation lights more then old standard yellow.
Internal NAVFLIR I couldn’t fix , there is code error in BMS … it can’t be adjusted X/Y/Z wise - it is fixed somewhere inside the plane ,… as Harrier has internal FLIR… but adding NAVPOD as external FLIR works out of the box.- for enthusiasts… but is COOL flying noe with flir in the middle of night.
Otherwise , everything is working. She is flyable out of the box. … - also flyable from Wasp … I’m on day 2 in my custom campaign in Balkans .
Would like to see V/TOL mnemonics on HUD … but not crucial ,
She can land on moving carrier … like a boss. DON’T use hook … ;
takeoff is pure horsepower , no catapult, from the stern , nearing bow switch nozzles to 50 degrees., gently pull up . then as the speed buildup , slowly work them to 0.Cheers
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thanks mate, here are some specific questions
How do you use the tacan with UFC?
What’s the GW limit for short takeoff from the deck?
I usually use 60° nozzle right from the start (no STO mimick with Hotas), does 50° makes any difference?
What’s the procedure to vertical land that thing in style? -
Red Dog - is this of any use? I know it’s DCS but info is info…
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Thanks but no.
The info I’m after are mostly BMS dependent so stuff from reality or other sims are useless to me -
@Red:
Thanks but no.
The info I’m after are mostly BMS dependent so stuff from reality or other sims are useless to meThats kinda sad but I get it…
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don’t worry the real stuff I already have and use it, but there’s no point saying that GW limits is 29000 if taken from reality and if the actual limit in BMs is lower than that.
my Current tests suggest that anything above 25000 Lbs GW can’t be done.So far I tested many different configuration and the safe Gw is around 23000 Lbs
25000 works but IMHO too unsafe for a rolling deck departure (STO) -
RD doesn’t work on models, he works on manuals. Not RL manuals, BMS manuals.
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@Red:
thanks mate, here are some specific questions
How do you use the tacan with UFC?
What’s the GW limit for short takeoff from the deck?
I usually use 60° nozzle right from the start (no STO mimick with Hotas), does 50° makes any difference?
What’s the procedure to vertical land that thing in style?(I fly AV8B + , for radar and amraams, av8b+.dat ; av8b has its own .dat , and Seaharrier has its own fa2.dat - but is unfineshed)
1. Same as F16, no any difference there , seems that thing must be universal
2. DAT(acdata) would need some adjustment…, but you can achieve GW <22000 for pure V/TO , +26000 rolling TO … so almost no GW limit for rolling short TO , you can carry 4 mk83’s + 2 amraams + ALQ in the middle … there is original harrier picture on google loaded with 5(or7?) BL-755 clusters… so, she can carry some groceries
-should be careful with harrier images on google, there are a lot of dcs, but detail is amazing so easily can be mistaken for the real thing
3. yes, that’s BMS old TO procedure … but in “original” way you get some more knots if nozzles 0 degrees from start and lowered at the last moment, near end of deck
-simple foxy’s script for cougar allows for STO-stop emulation , on push of the button , 5 x RPT nozzle (air source down ) decrease ,BTN T9 /I /P /H DX27 [color]/R RPT(5) AFIncExhaust[/color] /O /H DX27
-Oh, btw, nozzles 60deg allow for more climb , 50deg allows for more horizontal speed - there’s that “thin red line” , since we’re on TO transition to horizontal flight , we aim for horizontal speed more - thrust vectoring
4. I (try to) follow real procedure, approach from port side then “strafe” right and fall down like a brick
- On approach bleed excessive speed with 100/110 nozzle setting , Wasp is making some 20knots so account +10 overtake , …
- I start transition to vertical after the ball , half mile out… from ~<150kts on final
- When in vertical hover, It is actually easier if you use nozzle controls to correct for forward/hover/backward (80 - 90 - 100) ; rather then fixed nozzles 90deg and using pitch up/down ,
-because, when on touchdown , your alpha should be horizontal , land on all wheels in the same time … - if using pitch , you’re making this harder to yourself… it is doable tho, … so all contrary to “typical” alpha for landing aircraft on aft wheels - ALL the time hands on throttle and nozzles , as soon you change nozzles geometry you need to counterpart with throttle
- probably, analog nozzles controls is a plus here , maybe I’ll try it with the cougars ANT axis ,… presently I have them on shifted POV up/down - but callbacks have only +/-10 increments , so it is a big change vs fine analog control ,
she (plane) is kinda sensitive to change of thrust vector , but is to be expected , they are really strong engine - Pegasus
Cheers
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@Red:
Is there any checklists for the 4.34 harrier somewhere?
I’m aware of the PDF in the doc folders, I’m looking at SOP from ppl actually flying the harrier in 4.34.
Any input will be useful, thanksI have the pdf with my previous squadron full Performance Take-off/Landings checklist, all of the different types used by all Harrier operators, regardless of country, contact me on discord. Includes procedures how to re-join after take-off using “milling” RAF procedure.
You can change it to txt and put it in this thread, or wherever you want.
Edit: reminder they will not be super useful, they were made to be explained by someone with a lot of experience, RVT requires good trim from the ground in case of imbalance due to TGP pod, and it requires good technique of not too little, and not too much aft stick, something that is better taught with an experienced instructor providing example. So are the other landings, and the particular case of engine malf emergency landing, VNSL Variabel Nozzle Slow Landing.