BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal
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@Snake122 ,
LSOBot works fine for me, using the online version. I have no issues with it, and use it whenever I am practicing carrier landings.What problems are you having with LSOBot?
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@Tomcattwo good to hear! I’m using the carrier landing TE, it never detects a pass when I load the what I thought was properly formatted ACMI.
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@Snake122
OK, am not at my PC right now but when I have a chance I will detail what I do here.
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Good Day, All.
@Killroy You just sign our to our Discord ( link is in my signature here https://discord.gg/WDFhckSnzv
You just check out the “read me first”, then “complaint to RR” and become an OFM Member. That gives you full access . I was thinking of using our Ready Room channel for one on one chats.
@Snake122 This LandingBot is VERY interesting. @Tomcattwo T2, let me know what if anything we can do to get it working in our OFM Stuff. I can get to the BOT site just fine, and the app looks good. I don’t usually ACMI the landings, so I will be testing today -
Test 1 for the Landing Bot was inconclusive. When I went to load the ACMI I just get “Loading” , even after 15minutes. However, I did an entire takeoff, pattern, and landing for an ACMI of 12k plus. I’m going to test later, just recording the approach itself.
Also, if you have OFM-Nevada , here is a Carrier Qual. TE https://www.mediafire.com/file_premium/ilsmibcd51wg5a3/Car_Quals.tac/file
It also has our WIP Ford Class CVN.
Before you launch, check the fuel in Loadout. I test different things in this TE, so fuel carried may be more then in a usual approach
More goodies… Our NATOPS folder includes several docs and images that relate to landing on the Boat https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3451cnrzqi4pv/NATOPS -
@drtbkj @Snake122 ,
OK, here’s the quick and dirty. I’ll lay out more detail and include a tool I found after.1). LSOBot requires Text Telemetry files to run, which can be obtained by converting Falcon .vhs files to .txt.acmi Text Telemetry Files using TacView. Fly your flight, and record your carrier landing using the AVTR in 3D. When your flight is finished, shut down BMS. Your saved file should be in …Falcon BMS 4.37\User\ACMI folder.
- Open the .vhs file in TacView.
Once in Tacview, with the file open, click on “File” (the USB button, Upper left), and click Save As…In the window that opens, select filetype "Tacview Text Telemetry Data *.txt.acmi ", give it a filename and save it in a location of your choosing.
- Open LSOBot Webpage
- Click on Load ACMI and navigate to your .txt.acmi file, and load it, then if there is more than 1 pass, select the pass you want to view.
- You can export the data into a .csv file. I do that and import it into a spreadsheet I use to keep track of all my valid carrier landings (just for fun).
A tool I found can help Falcon BMS create .vhs files much faster. It’s called flt2vhs on github by MRKline. It converts Falcon BMS .flt files to .vhs files almost instantaneously. Use at your own risk. Here’s a link to the flt2vhs files.
drtbkj said:
Test 1 for the Landing Bot was inconclusive. When I went to load the ACMI I just get “Loading” , even after 15minutes. However, I did an entire takeoff, pattern, and landing for an ACMI of 12k plus. I’m going to test later, just recording the approach itself.
Joe, just AVTR the approach. I usually start AVTR when I go wheels down, and leave it running until I am on the deck. You have to load Telemtry Text .txt.acmi file type, not .zip.acmi or .flt filetypes.
Regards,
- Open the .vhs file in TacView.
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@Tomcattwo BMS records into acmi files directly now unless you epicetly set the option to not to do so and still produce vhs. So the whole converting from vhs to txt.acmi in tacview is not needed
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@Tomcattwo Hi, Compadre. Test 2 yielded some strange results. I made an abbreviated test TE(Nevada), here it is along with the ACMI- https://www.mediafire.com/file_premium/x3ps93p40elr65d/LSOBot_Test.tac/file
The ACMI was strange, as it had me approach and land from the Boat’s 2 o’clock on Tacview ? ! Idk what that’s about, but I did get the ACMI to load in the Bot. However, I keep get"No Passes Detected". HHHmmm…
I watched the tutorial vid., and to keep the file as small as possible I added AVTR ON to my “Roger Ball” VA call. -
@drtbkj try running with acmi flag in launcher to start recording as soon as you enter 3d and not with the avtr switch. You still can trim the recording in tacview if needed
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@drtbkj
Joe, I’ll try to run some test traps tonight and see what I get.@oakdesign , is the BMS output in vhs.acmi or .txt.acmi?
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@Tomcattwo
Neither nor it’s zip.acmi which is the compresses version of acmi.txt
only if set in config
set g_bTacviewAcmi 0
BMS produses flt and vhs. The only usage for now to do so is the experimental feature for Real Time Telemetry in Tacview which relies on eading flt file. But I think that that will be changed at least in .38 with a more direct interface to tacview -
@oakdesign ok thanks. Since LSOBot will only accept .txt.acmi, you will need to open the .zip.acmi in Tacview and save as .txt acmi.
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@Tomcattwo said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@oakdesign ok thanks. Since LSOBot will only accept .txt.acmi, you will need to open the .zip.acmi in Tacview and save as .txt acmi.
Regards,no you can just unzip the zip.acmi no need to do that in tacview. As shown in my screen where the zip.acmi was opened in 7z and the acmi.txt open from within the archive
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@oakdesign awesome! Thanks!
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I’ve tried both using WinRAR and TacView to convert my *.zip.acmi to *.txt.acmi and still get “No Passes detected” from LSOBot including them being trimmed to pretty much final. I’m using the Case 1 Recovery training mission in Korea.
Should we move this to the LSOBot thread? While it will be necroing there, I’m afraid we might have some helpful tips that might be good to have there and not congest the OFM Journal with other stuff…
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@Snake122 said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
.Should we move this to the LSOBot thread? While it will be necroing there, I’m afraid we might have some helpful tips that might be good to have there and not congest the OFM Journal with other stuff…
Sounds good
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Good Day, All.
Following up yesterday’s discussion of the LSOBot…
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/6209/release-lsobot-a-carrier-landing-grading-tool/52?_=1715540129049
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Good Day, All. I happened to watch a YT vid. on the DCS Phantom, and it was an inspiration to revisit the F-4 Phantom in the database.
It flies and lands pretty well, even on the carrier. ATM, we’re dealing with a couple of minor things like launch bar and modeling flaps. It is functional air-to-air, and air -to- ground testing is happening today
We’re also going to take a look at the stock cockpit, as you can ramp start it (though I keep getting hot starts).
The basic plan, atm, is to set up both land and naval variants, and use the stock pit if at all possible. Also, this is one of those jets we’re thinking of keeping “Old School”. Sparrow missiles, etc.
We’ll release a mini-Updater when we have it all together. Is there a particular variant in the OFM database you would like us to look at ? -
Good Day, All.
In another thread we were discussing F-18 aircraft wt. considerations when landing . I thought it would be fun to share it here…
I use these weight formulas. The numbers are all rounded up for ease of calculation
F-18C-empty wt -26K + wt. munitions( I use 350lb/AIM-120,120/AIM-9) + fuel <= 34K max. Trap wt.
F-18E-empty wt- 32K+ Munitions+ fuel <=51K max. Trap wt.
I should point out that ,for the more casual player , is that you don’t have to do all this. Basically, In the Legacy with 4 AIM-120/2AIM-9 and <=7k fuel you’re good. For the Echo, those big wings and LERX’s really help the carry back wt. Even with full loadout, at <= 9k fuel you’re good.
Of course, we are discussing maximum Trap wt. I’ve found that if your a/g ordinance is gone and <= 5K (Legacy) and 7K (Rhino) fuel is a good optimum landing wt.
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Good Day, All.
Here’s an update on the Phantom. The launch bar and flap issues are resolved. The naval variants now have the auto throttle and manual flaps like the Hornet. We have also tweaked the flight model a bit.
Today we’re continuing cockpit testing. We’ve found a couple of old callbacks (in fact, that was the flap issue) .As far as the cockpit goes, our current plan is to keep the stock pit for the land variants, but maybe do the Hornet pit in at least one of the naval ones. We’re still debating that, and would appreciate your thoughts on that. For one thing, the stocker lacks a launch bar switch, but that could be fixed by reassigning a current hotspot.
The stock pit lacks an UFC. We’re going to get the DEDdata working on the HUD, so you can at least see what your doing on your keyboard.