Update on 4.35 U2
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^^ Of course you’re right/
Sorry for letting genie out of the bottle.:boink: but why the all holdup in veil of secrecy. Month ago everything was “already packed” and g2g. … and then //silence.
Sure as hell for something community made (unpaid soft) I hold no any right for “demands” … but is not that at all. - Just a simple/complex question what’s the matter now?
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Hi buddy, I tried to be as honest as possible in this thread. Every milestone we reached I posted something about it. Believe me, I have been to the waiting side and I know how pissed it is to get a 3-4 weeks answer. But here is a very brief timeline of what happened:
- We packed U2 twice 3 months ago, found some very serious bugs, so went back to the “drawing board”. Some of those were my fault, which I added while fixing another very old serious bug which caused the infamous pure virtual CTD randomly.
- After that, we spent 45 insane days testing whatever we could, generated 35 candidates in the mean time. Allow me to say that a lot of testers have my personal phone number now and I was answering to them at 3am at my local timezone, since I had ppl from all over the world pinging me with bugs. And I’m talking only about myself here, there were other coders as well.
- Once we reached a stable version, we packed the installer, sent to testers for a final run but twice we found glitches and went back to fixing. Those were not serious, but since were at it, we decided to fix them.
- We finally packed the final version 2-3 weeks ago, but our final installer presented some “problems”. It was not really a problem, but this prevented us from releasing due to bureaucracy. I will not go into details here, but this required us to generate a new one last week.
- It was generated during the weekend and and again, it does not depend on “us” (BMS) anymore. We are all eager to release this new version, as much as you all are to get it.
Now, I do not like when ppl say: you are getting this for free so take it or leave (no offence meant to anyone here). I think as long as we produce something for a passionate public, we must deliver our best, as best as we can. But please, be mindful we also have our own lives and we are doing this on spare time. From my side, I decided to take a break until U2 is released, because I’m pretty sure the community will find more problems. But there are already people working on the next version. The wheel keeps spinning and there are some awesome stuff being done.
We’re trying really hard. Please, be patient, U2 is coming, it’s very close. If it’s not here yet, it is beyond our power now.
Notice that everything I said here was said before, except the last part about the installer. So there is not really much in this post.
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Hi buddy, I tried to be as honest as possible in this thread. Every milestone we reached I posted something about it. Believe me, I have been to the waiting side and I know how pissed it is to get a 3-4 weeks answer. But here is a very brief timeline of what happened:
- We packed U2 twice 3 months ago, found some very serious bugs, so went back to the “drawing board”. Some of those were my fault, which I added while fixing another very old serious bug which caused the infamous pure virtual CTD randomly.
- After that, we spent 45 insane days testing whatever we could, generated 35 candidates in the mean time. Allow me to say that a lot of testers have my personal phone number now and I was answering to them at 3am at my local timezone, since I had ppl from all over the world pinging me with bugs. And I’m talking only about myself here, there were other coders as well.
- Once we reached a stable version, we packed the installer, sent to testers for a final run but twice we found glitches and went back to fixing. Those were not serious, but since were at it, we decided to fix them.
- We finally packed the final version 2-3 weeks ago, but our final installer presented some “problems”. It was not really a problem, but this prevented us from releasing due to bureaucracy. I will not go into details here, but this required us to generate a new one last week.
- It was generated during the weekend and and again, it does not depend on “us” (BMS) anymore. We are all eager to release this new version, as much as you all are to get it.
Now, I do not like when ppl say: you are getting this for free so take it or leave (no offence meant to anyone here). I think as long as we produce something for a passionate public, we must deliver our best, as best as we can. But please, be mindful we also have our own lives and we are doing this on spare time. From my side, I decided to take a break until U2 is released, because I’m pretty sure the community will find more problems. But there are already people working on the next version. The wheel keeps spinning and there are some awesome stuff being done.
We re trying really hard. Please, be patient, U2 is coming, it’s very close. If it’s not here yet, it is beyond our power now.
Notice that everything I said here was said before, except the last part about the installer. So there is not really much in this post.
Thanks for the feedback Seifer. We appreciate it. I believe most of us understand the issues (Which must not be easy ones, I guess) and are waiting patiently. Take the time you guys need to deliver a good stuff. Certainly you deserve the brake!
Cheers :yo:
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Thanks for the feedback Seifer. We appreciate it. I believe most of us understand the issues (Which must not be easy ones, I guess) and are waiting patiently. Take the time you guys need to deliver a good stuff. Certainly you deserve the brake!
Cheers :yo:
Hi Sasah, thanks for the kind words. Good that mentioned this… I am not happy by this delay, as you know all too well, since this is preventing me from flying with you guys from my own timezone and language (and sense of humour ).
Regarding the issues, not sure how familiar people are with software development. You know, Falcon is not a big company with all infrastructure support. We host our own servers, people are paying to have this up and working for free to have this up for us. We don’t have quality engineers online all the time, alerts, automated tests etc. So this makes things a lot harder.
I spent 22 days with one of our testers chasing a bug that happened only on his machine. We exchanged more than 50GB of dmp files. I also spent 8 days trying to understand why the pure virtual fix was causing the new bug I mentioned on my previous post. And believe me, I have a lot of software experience in my career, those were really TOUGH bugs. When I say days, I literally mean that, from the moment I woke up, during the day when I had some breaks from work, through the night until I slept. Add to that 8 hours of real life work and 2 kids, you may begin to understand how passion drives us.
So, for whomever wanted some background of what went behind the scenes, this is a small taste. And notice I am only talking about myself. Other coders are more low profile than I am but you can be damn sure they had similar experiences.
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I hope you don’t feel bad or offended for anything, Seifer. I do, and apparently others do, appreciate your way to communicate, nothing contemptuous, nothing blurry, just plain statements. Personally, seriously, you could say nothing, I don’t care. I’m happy with what I have. I’m no little kid crying and needing a picture of Disneyland every day to remember it will still be there when it’s time to visit. And if I don’t go in the end, it’s no big deal. Passion is a thing, but nothing to lose our mind on.
Enjoy your suffering at the extent you choose. If you do that for end users, don’t worry, we’ll be there. We were there before, we’ll be there then. If not from day 1 of U2, 3-4 weeks later. We too have our lives :).
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I hope you don’t feel bad or offended for anything, Seifer. I do, and apparently others do, appreciate your way to communicate, nothing contemptuous, nothing blurry, just plain statements. Personally, seriously, you could say nothing, I don’t care. I’m happy with what I have. I’m no little kid crying and needing a picture of Disneyland every day to remember it will still be there when it’s time to visit. And if I don’t go in the end, it’s no big deal. Passion is a thing, but nothing to lose our mind on.
Enjoy your suffering at the extent you choose. If you do that for end users, don’t worry, we’ll be there. We were there before, we’ll be there then. If not from day 1 of U2, 3-4 weeks later. We too have our lives :).
No offense taken, I don’t even know why I would be
This was just an informative post. really, there was not much to say/update. I thought it would take one week, but it is taking more…
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The Air Combat Sim podcast episode and the additional bonus episode:
Thanks for this ,johku,
I had 2 major reactions to the Podcast. Firstly, it increased my appreciation of the Dev’s. It’s very special that a group will go through the ups and downs and stick with it for this long. Especially for something that is not for $$$$.
My second reaction was to feel inspired. It’s amazing what even a small group can do. -
Hi Sasah, thanks for the kind words. Good that mentioned this… I am not happy by this delay, as you know all too well, since this is preventing me from flying with you guys from my own timezone and language (and sense of humour ).
Regarding the issues, not sure how familiar people are with software development. You know, Falcon is not a big company with all infrastructure support. We host our own servers, people are paying to have this up and working for free to have this up for us. We don’t have quality engineers online all the time, alerts, automated tests etc. So this makes things a lot harder.
I spent 22 days with one of our testers chasing a bug that happened only on his machine. We exchanged more than 50GB of dmp files. I also spent 8 days trying to understand why the pure virtual fix was causing the new bug I mentioned on my previous post. And believe me, I have a lot of software experience in my career, those were really TOUGH bugs. When I say days, I literally mean that, from the moment I woke up, during the day when I had some breaks from work, through the night until I slept. Add to that 8 hours of real life work and 2 kids, you may begin to understand how passion drives us.
So, for whomever wanted some background of what went behind the scenes, this is a small taste. And notice I am only talking about myself. Other coders are more low profile than I am but you can be damn sure they had similar experiences.
One last thing: I said coders, but include here dev and test teams as well, they worked (and still working) very hard for all this to happen.
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@seifer, thanks for your communication, a lot is changing in the BMS!
Thanks also to all developers
Take care there, man!!
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Hi buddy, I tried to be as honest as possible in this thread. Every milestone we reached I posted something about it. Believe me, I have been to the waiting side and I know how pissed it is to get a 3-4 weeks answer. But here is a very brief timeline of what happened:
- We packed U2 twice 3 months ago, found some very serious bugs, so went back to the “drawing board”. Some of those were my fault, which I added while fixing another very old serious bug which caused the infamous pure virtual CTD randomly.
- After that, we spent 45 insane days testing whatever we could, generated 35 candidates in the mean time. Allow me to say that a lot of testers have my personal phone number now and I was answering to them at 3am at my local timezone, since I had ppl from all over the world pinging me with bugs. And I’m talking only about myself here, there were other coders as well.
- Once we reached a stable version, we packed the installer, sent to testers for a final run but twice we found glitches and went back to fixing. Those were not serious, but since were at it, we decided to fix them.
- We finally packed the final version 2-3 weeks ago, but our final installer presented some “problems”. It was not really a problem, but this prevented us from releasing due to bureaucracy. I will not go into details here, but this required us to generate a new one last week.
- It was generated during the weekend and and again, it does not depend on “us” (BMS) anymore. We are all eager to release this new version, as much as you all are to get it.
Now, I do not like when ppl say: you are getting this for free so take it or leave (no offence meant to anyone here). I think as long as we produce something for a passionate public, we must deliver our best, as best as we can. But please, be mindful we also have our own lives and we are doing this on spare time. From my side, I decided to take a break until U2 is released, because I’m pretty sure the community will find more problems. But there are already people working on the next version. The wheel keeps spinning and there are some awesome stuff being done.
We’re trying really hard. Please, be patient, U2 is coming, it’s very close. If it’s not here yet, it is beyond our power now.
Notice that everything I said here was said before, except the last part about the installer. So there is not really much in this post.
let me clarify, it’s been 2 years we work on the next version already, so 4.35 U2 still has many issues or missing stuff that we arlready fixed or implemented for the “next version”.
So U2 is just a 4.35 stability patch in order for you guys to enjoy 4.35 as it should be awaiting 3 to 4 weeks the next one , nothing more nothing less
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Hi Sasah, thanks for the kind words. Good that mentioned this… I am not happy by this delay, as you know all too well, since this is preventing me from flying with you guys from my own timezone and language (and sense of humour ).
Regarding the issues, not sure how familiar people are with software development. You know, Falcon is not a big company with all infrastructure support. We host our own servers, people are paying to have this up and working for free to have this up for us. We don’t have quality engineers online all the time, alerts, automated tests etc. So this makes things a lot harder.
I spent 22 days with one of our testers chasing a bug that happened only on his machine. We exchanged more than 50GB of dmp files. I also spent 8 days trying to understand why the pure virtual fix was causing the new bug I mentioned on my previous post. And believe me, I have a lot of software experience in my career, those were really TOUGH bugs. When I say days, I literally mean that, from the moment I woke up, during the day when I had some breaks from work, through the night until I slept. Add to that 8 hours of real life work and 2 kids, you may begin to understand how passion drives us.
So, for whomever wanted some background of what went behind the scenes, this is a small taste. And notice I am only talking about myself. Other coders are more low profile than I am but you can be damn sure they had similar experiences.
well imagine doing that during 15 years already
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well imagine doing that during 15 years already
That’s why you guys deserve our appreciations! Thank you is not enough, but it is what I am able to give you now.
Thank you all of you :yo:
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in the meantime you can sweeten the wait by watching this
Thanks to all involved
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Our thanks for the work Seifer:
Thank you and everyone involved.:p -
Oops, Great Seifer, thanks for the feedback and also for the great work you and everyone in the development part of the BMS.
Success always. -
Thank you for ll you have done and continue to do for us, the BMSers. Without you this would be a “remember BMS Falcon and how involved it was to run a campaign.”. you deserve nothing less than our complete gratitude for what all of you do for this Sim in your “spare time”. What is spare time?. I never had it when I worked and raised kids. again, Thank you!
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Well I
ll wait for U2 to drop when the Devs are ready. I like to thank all Devs for their hardwork and patience (again),also after a recent lengthy stay in the hospital I like to particularly thank a Unsung Dev whom writes our excellent manuals don
t get me wrong the SIM is a work of beauty but the DOCs add that special fighter pilot feeling from the way they are written to the shear technical info contained within. i spend probably more reading manuals than playing the sim especially of recent as not like i can take a full hotas, Pc and screen into the Hospital -
Well I
ll wait for U2 to drop when the Devs are ready. I like to thank all Devs for their hardwork and patience (again),also after a recent lengthy stay in the hospital I like to particularly thank a Unsung Dev whom writes our excellent manuals don
t get me wrong the SIM is a work of beauty but the DOCs add that special fighter pilot feeling from the way they are written to the shear technical info contained within. i spend probably more reading manuals than playing the sim especially of recent as not like i can take a full hotas, Pc and screen into the HospitalI hope you’ll be good soon enough, dear HaggisHero.
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Guys the work and effort even as detailed as guys said it, was phenomenal. Not just now, this is the norm.
Test exe’s where pouring like rain.
Tests where made 24/7 non stop.
The GB’s transferred where enormous, we even had to clear up HDD space for dmp files.
This doesn’t mean lots of things where broken, no, but every tiny detail that we could spot or suspect was put under the microscope.
Put on top and parallel, education and coordination of the testers to get the best way and tools working so to spot even more might be issues.Seifer and coders where available and working like having 8 hands around the clock and when not coding they where also testing.
All those with focus on stability.
So don’t ask to put the finger on the wound. The team IS doing it’s best as u know it. Just trust it and believe it as u already do and we’ll have a great time as we already do.
They r not God’s , they are just plain ppl like you and me with dedication to what they do. They get inspirited by you and they inspire you.
We’re all together in this.
Sent from my MI 5 using Tapatalk
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A few months ago, some strange lighting issues were seen when flying in clouds, such as in the ILS Weather training mission. Here are some places where these issues were mentioned:
Does anyone know if this is likely to be fixed in a 4.35 update, such as U2?
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I’d wish to get the MP more ‘refined’ a bit… I’m not suggesting here it’s currently behaving bad.
It’s only that also today I’m having a little bad sensation that some weird fluctuations (can’t define better now, sorry) when running couldn’t be imputed to my line current conditions only.
It’s only a sensation, I repeat, and not a suspect. But the same it’s still… call it sixth or seventh sense or anyway you like more. That’s it.However.
Most important, now: a great “Thank you!” to all the dev. team individually and as a team too for all what they did until now, they’re currently doing… and they are thinking to do in future as well, taking a well deserved vacation time at its first place.With best regards.