A-A Missiles doubts.
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I’m not even mentionning the slammer head-on avoidance, which is a total heresy we do no use, and relies only on the poor missile modeling values. I’m talking about knowing when an enemy can get a dangerous shot at you, and turning away before.IRL, missiles ARE deadly. And most missiles in F4 are not nearly as deadly as they should be. In trainings, IRL, a missile shot within hit parameters means a kill. Why do you think that is, if modern missiles were so poor ? Its not the 70s anymore… In F4, ATM, most SHORADs or MANPADs are almost useless. But I dont see you complaining about that.
So no, most seeker modeling values wont change, and for good reasons. And if you are sad about it, well, too bad.
Yes agree with this the A-A missiles in BMS are long way from Holy - and the MANPADs are LOL
IR missiles that use Imaging seekers look very difficult for flares to defeat despite the different types of flares now in use - anything that doesn’t though you could expect to still be spoofed to an extent by modern flare types.
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I guess you need to “fly like a flare” when you drop flares to fool the new type of missiles, flying straight and dropping them won’t fool them as they probably do “backcheck” if something deviates from “normal” too fast.
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Unless you can look like a flare as well, that wont help too much.
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Gresat discussion here guys.
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Unless you can look like a flare as well, that wont help too much.
That’s the point with imaging infrared seekers…
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I guess the way modern seekers work is they don’t merely follow a ‘white hot dot’ but the contrasting outline of the target aircraft.
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It would be a blob at range - but under a certain range it can see the shape.
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In F4, ATM, most SHORADs or MANPADs are almost useless. But I dont see you complaining about that.
Well, to be fair, he has actually complained about MANPADs at least.
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Also regardless how hardcore sim BMS4 this is still “only” a game. Gameplay wise my aspect is very simple. I cannot accept weapons which cannot be defeated but only one way.
… everything is said.
Thank you to finally admit it.
Check this statistic. And most of target did not have even dispensers. The only question is the launch range considering NEZ and DLC.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/gr…/AAM-stats.zipCruz has access to much more than statistic.
A comparison between RL engagement outcomes with F4 ones is very difficult, if not impossible. F4 does not simulate many of these factors.
True. And this is why WE (BMS) think that improvements is not in the database only, but in the code and database. Even with a highly tweaked database, results will still be disputable, in one way or another.
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Well, to be fair, he has actually complained about MANPADs at least.
SHORAD also.
In a rule of thumb, my dear Monli is used to complain about everything.
Gresat discussion here guys.
Discussion is rather garbage here. Better check this : https://www.dropbox.com/s/26s87625cavex2q/Electronic%20Warfare%20Fundamentals.pdf?dl=0
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By SHORADs do you guys mean SA11/SA15/SA17s and the like, because in BMS those are pretty dangerous.
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By SHORADs do you guys mean SA11/SA15/SA17s and the like, because in BMS those are pretty dangerous.
They are - but they don’t generally sit next to the bigger SAMs shooting at HARMs - if that’s what they can do.
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SA-15 could be considered SHORAD. But I was talking about SA-8 / 9 / 13 / 19
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SA-15 could be considered SHORAD. But I was talking about SA-8 / 9 / 13 / 19
The SA-13 can be fairly lethal at certain altitudes in testing I found - haven’t seen much of the SA-8/19.
In reality the first gen SA-7/9 Strela without any modernisation were not that great even before IR flares were used - so being naff is about correct IMO.
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sa9/13 are relatively threatening; the real reason they are toothless is they are comparatively rare and spaced predictably. in BMSkorea they only appear in the relatively stationary HQ battalions, along with the premier tank battalions, both of which are relatively few. IMO the default battalion rosters for SAMs should probably be reworked to include SHORADs, along with most mech/tank battalions. once they’re spread out over a wide area they would provide a very effective no-go, as it is since HQs are clustered in towns, if you avoid the towns you avoid the hongying/SA13 swarm and it’s relatively easy to clusterbomb with impunity.
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I seem to recall comments that only one weapon system in a battalion can fire at a time?
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Its not a matter of seeker, its a matter of FM. Missiles have too long flight time, too much drag, poor weights, poor guidance gains….
FYI, SA-19 are in 2S6 “Tunguska” which can be found in campaigns.
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I seem to recall comments that only one weapon system in a battalion can fire at a time?
i’m not sure about that, but if you spread them out between many of the mechanized/tank battalions on the board (esp near seoul, where they inevitably cluster in the hundreds) it won’t really matter. besides, sa-13 have a reasonable PK%, as long as the target isn’t very high (relative to their shooting range) or very fast, they have a good hitrate.
not sure where everyone’s getting the “sa-13 not a threat” thing. if you enter their range they are dangerous.
you won’t get forced down low in BMSkorea, but that’s not the fault of the SA-13 lethality, that’s the fault of the ubiquitous SA-2 nonthreats and poor SAM EMCON.
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If you guys want a LETHAL WEAPON thats guarenteed to kill every time I hate to tell you but it already exists. It’s not classified and it’s deadly to everyone. I want to call it a chemical weapon but you decide for yourselves. It takes a while to kill most of the time. It’s called LIFE. Once born you are a carrier, and it will kill you. There has yet to be any cm’s for it.
In regards to Chaff - yes it will present a target to an early radar system. With the use of a pulse dopler radar - as has been stated in your documents folder and by previous posters - it starts out at the same speed as you but it RAPIDLY decelerates, and the radar then sees through its trick.
To your electric jammer - If my birds radar isn’t pointed in your direction I don’t know you’re there, jammer or not, unless you’re locking me up. But if I’m pointed in your direction and you switch it on - you better believe I’m now interested. Something is there and its big enough to have a jammer - I’m gonna look into it. It keeps ME from having a long range shot on you, but somebody close enough by can lock you up still.
I’d rather hear the answer to wether or not the target missile who will home in on the jammer will continue to track via radar while the jammer is running and not loose the target if the jammer is turned back off. Blinded by the strobelight anyone?
-Babite