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The airbase in the special case is Gio del Colle in Balkans.
The issue is as explained in the beginning, ATC does not respect the taxi que according to T/O times. Thats the reason, ATC cannot hold T/O times and for extreme waiting times to get a taxi clearance. Also ATC does not send the flights to line up and wait on the RWY.
All these issues are in BALKANS, we are NOT talking KTO here.
And why Prot is reporting that behavior? In KTO everything works like described already, taxing in the correct order, T/O can be held, line up and wait commands, all like a charm.
Off course delays should and can be expected and be accounted for in planning. KTO sometimes also needs that, due to technical problems during start up etc etc, but in KTO the problems Prot described here are simply not apparent.And that is the reason he is reporting issues for Balkans ATC, as it behaviors very differently to KTO ATC.
The issues in Balkans ATC are there for a lot of versions already, its not new too, so it it is definitely a problem, not a issue of this single TE. -
@Korbi said in Start sequence order by tower:
The airbase in the special case is Gio del Colle in Balkans.
The issue is as explained in the beginning, ATC does not respect the taxi que according to T/O times. Thats the reason, ATC cannot hold T/O times and for extreme waiting times to get a taxi clearance. Also ATC does not send the flights to line up and wait on the RWY.
All these issues are in BALKANS, we are NOT talking KTO here.
And why Prot is reporting that behavior? In KTO everything works like described already, taxing in the correct order, T/O can be held, line up and wait commands, all like a charm.
Off course delays should and can be expected and be accounted for in planning. KTO sometimes also needs that, due to technical problems during start up etc etc, but in KTO the problems Prot described here are simply not apparent.And that is the reason he is reporting issues for Balkans ATC, as it behaviors very differently to KTO ATC.
The issues in Balkans ATC are there for a lot of versions already, its not new too, so it it is definitely a problem, not a issue of this single TE.that ATC sometimes do not respect the exact order ot TE take off is expected, it will not reshuffle more than a few minutes though
that some airbases are not working is specific to the airbase setup by the theater dev indeed
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Once again, this is only about adhering to the take-off sequence, there is no other aircraft influencing the mission at this time.
It’s a training mission, first 2, then 4, then 2 and then 2 more aircraft are to take off.
In described example the first 2-ship a human and an AI pilot, in the 4-ship 4 humans, then again times 2 AI pilots. All aircraft are supposed to be manned by people, but the number available fluctuates because people do this in their spare time and are not always available.
The way to the runway is short, there is absolutely no reason to mix the T/O times.
In BMS it is not like in other flight sims the possiblity to control the AI in a simple way like:
When an own A/C has reached a point then do this or that.
That would help in training missions. One could adjust the level of difficulty according to the trainees skills.
Back to the topic: The mix of the t/o sequence happens sometimes in some of our self designed training missions. I can’t recognise a pattern.
I have nothing against the AI intervening in certain areas but if these interventions are pointless then they are just a nuisance. -
@Prot said in Start sequence order by tower:
Once again, this is only about adhering to the take-off sequence, there is no other aircraft influencing the mission at this time.
It’s a training mission, first 2, then 4, then 2 and then 2 more aircraft are to take off.
In described example the first 2-ship a human and an AI pilot, in the 4-ship 4 humans, then again times 2 AI pilots. All aircraft are supposed to be manned by people, but the number available fluctuates because people do this in their spare time and are not always available.
The way to the runway is short, there is absolutely no reason to mix the T/O times.
In BMS it is not like in other flight sims the possiblity to control the AI in a simple way like:
When an own A/C has reached a point then do this or that.
That would help in training missions. One could adjust the level of difficulty according to the trainees skills.
Back to the topic: The mix of the t/o sequence happens sometimes in some of our self designed training missions. I can’t recognise a pattern.
I have nothing against the AI intervening in certain areas but if these interventions are pointless then they are just a nuisance.i think i am not clear
that ATC reshuffle the flights not in the exact same order that the TE TO time is EXPECTED.
It shouldnt be more than a few minutes though and this should not prevent the Package to be on time at push point because ATO generated Holding Point for this
This is a limitation of the Airbase whole system for now , and this would be quite difficult to make the Spaw point in the exact sequence to respect absolute Take off Ordering , due to the complexity of airbases and the huge amount of flights generated / spawning in campaign.
We could try to make the Deaggregation code sorting out the flights by Take off time , it would ensure in a way that it will work for your TE Case , but that’s risky
It’s too long to explain WHY we have this limitation but this is due to DEaggregation / reaggregation process.
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@Mav-jp And that is okay. The sole reason we are pointing that out, is that in KTO there are no issues and in BTO there are, so the theater devs get input and feedback for their work. Maybe they are able to make it work as it does in KTO by redesigning parts of the airbase structures in BTO.
There is no point in arguing on and on, more it would be more usefull to accept the fact, that BTO currently is not working as fluid in respects to ATC as KTO does and we just report that, so it gets added to the known issues list and devs of BTO can have a look at it - IF THEY WANT and have the time
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@Korbi said in Start sequence order by tower:
@Mav-jp And that is okay. The sole reason we are pointing that out, is that in KTO there are no issues and in BTO there are, so the theater devs get input and feedback for their work. Maybe they are able to make it work as it does in KTO by redesigning parts of the airbase structures in BTO.
There is no point in arguing on and on, more it would be more usefull to accept the fact, that BTO currently is not working as fluid in respects to ATC as KTO does and we just report that, so it gets added to the known issues list and devs of BTO can have a look at it - IF THEY WANT and have the time
i can garantee that KTO has the same issue of reshuffling the FLights . It’s because if Server is entering in the same time window (20 mn) of all the planned flights, all flights are deagged in the same time , but not in the order of FLight take off time. it’s like random deagg of Flight List.
In that case, the first flight deaggs and spawn, takes the closest Parkinf Slots, then the second and so on.
If Flights are deagged not in the same order than take off time, then this can be messy…
but…i will think about it, got other priorities right now
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@Mav-jp Copy that. Maybe it’s also due to one or two other factors that it at least seems to be working better in KTO than BTO. Why this is, I cannot tell, as I have absolutely no clue of the code behind the scenes.
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There are better reasons to follow ATC or not than “real life”. Real life ATC aren’t artificial intelligences. Real life ATC are not updated with BMS to be better every time. Real life ATC have no bugs, just people who can mess. All that is very different. Let’s be reasonable.
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@Prot Yes be patient and wait your turn. BMS will sequence you as needed. If you taxi too soon it can cause all kinds of trouble including wingman not taking off.
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@Mav-jp said in Start sequence order by tower:
i can garantee that KTO has the same issue of reshuffling the FLights .
I can absolutely confirm that this happens in KTO.
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