Weapon Delivery Planner released
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… The 100 targets gets saved to the DTC.
…Why it is saved in the DTC… I can tell you, but then I have to kill you.Thanks for the answer!
I´ll have to take a look at this “saving to the DTC” because I didn´t dare to test it, yet. Then I may figure out what can we do with them inside BMS UI or while Flying…. but anyway, I feel like dying today, so just in case I don´t find the answer by myself:
How do we access those 100 tgt points in the cockpit? [Kill me!… Kill the Lazy Bastard!!:twisted:]Keep it up!
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Hmmm still no. I believe u must always define where u are… what I mean u ask me: if u saved the DTC… from where? Falcon or WDP? This is the most confusing part for me. Sorry I know I bust your balls but I have a lot in my mind and I work on many different things on the same time and I don’t know why but WDP doesn’t much my paterns and it took me long time to get where I am now thanx to your kind efforts and patience…
As I see it other way why don’t u merge them all the time?
Since they are for the same theater?Now the other way around…
I don’t have anything touched in wdp… Clean install first time open. Loaded my callsign.ini from my Falcon install (Yes still on a network run… (WDP runs on a different laptop and Falcon on a desktop pc) I have Falcon on the laptop also but I go and open the callsign from the desktop… I have share folder and everything seems to work properly)
I open a mission in Falcon I save the DTC I save the mission
Then I go to WDP and I open the mission.
Then comes this question… what should I do? As u say I must say no… right?Second scenario…
I make in WDP some stp’s and some like tacans, friendly or foe sams (I have build a TE where I have those). So they are the saved ones as u call them that I can use for every mission right?
So in Falcon I open an MP TE I save the DTC, I save the mission.
In WDP I open the mission then the question pops up what should I answer to see those? yes? will I also have the changes I just made in my mission, and the TACAN stations I declared earlier in WDP?If I got it right the question should be something like do you want to load and your default WDP saved settings? Maybe the question is the same but it’s confusing for me… I don’t for everyone else (specially newbs… is that clear?).
Why? I’m lost in all those Falcon’s DTC, WDP’s DTC, mission ini callsign ini and I must recall all the time which is which so I don’t fubar… why? cause mostly now I fly online and I don’t have the luxury to have 20+ppl like oooppps guys sorry wait I must reload and redo all those stuff…Edit: More confusing??? I don’t have any general for every mission stuff in WDP made yet (I haven’t got in to that yet) so why does it ask me then? Shouldn’t your app keep track if I have such? Is there a way to make such without WDP? So when it’s clean why does it ask me?
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Thanks for the answer!
I´ll have to take a look at this “saving to the DTC” because I didn´t dare to test it, yet. Then I may figure out what can we do with them inside BMS UI or while Flying…. but anyway, I feel like dying today, so just in case I don´t find the answer by myself:
How do we access those 100 tgt points in the cockpit? [Kill me!… Kill the Lazy Bastard!!:twisted:]Keep it up!
And Big time ThX!!!Haha
You didn’t get the hint, let me give you another hint.
Trying to figure out how it works with your BMS install is a waste of time as in the version you have it is not included.gr Falcas
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Haha
You didn’t get the hint, let me give you another hint.
Trying to figure out how it works with your BMS install is a waste of time as in the version you have it is not included.gr Falcas
“TOUCHE!”
Thanks… You saved me from the paint of futile search for an answer… but throw me to a more deep and dramatic PAIN… the infame and evil pain of the “wait 3 to 4 weeks” for the mighty BMS 4.33!!!
You were right… You killed me!!!
Still, this is going to be a great feature… as everything else. THANKS FALCAS!!!
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Falcas : Agalnov - 1:0 :blowpar:
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Hmmm still no. I believe u must always define where u are… what I mean u ask me: if u saved the DTC… from where? Falcon or WDP? This is the most confusing part for me. Sorry I know I bust your balls but I have a lot in my mind and I work on many different things on the same time and I don’t know why but WDP doesn’t much my paterns and it took me long time to get where I am now thanx to your kind efforts and patience…
It does not matter where (BMS/WDP) you have save the DTC. The DTC is just a text file with data in it.
As I see it other way why don’t u merge them all the time?
Since they are for the same theater?This is a good question and is very important to understand how the DTC works. The STPTs, PPTs and Lines in the DTC (Callsign.ini and TE.ini) are for one flight only.
The PPTs and Lines could be the same for all flights, but not the STPTs.
The question is only about the STPTs, the PPTs, Lines and everything else is used from the DTC no matter what you answer to the WDP question.
So let us keep the discussion on the STPTs only for now.What are precision STPTs in the DTC?
Lets step back in time and look at older versions of Falcon (AF)
The precision of a STPT is 1km and this is what is saved in the mission (.tac/.cam)
As 1km is a pretty big step and not nice for pin pointing a building, you need to make it more precise. So this is where the precision STPT comes into play. However, you can NOT save these precision STPT to the *.TAC or *.CAM file.
This also means that the system is designed to make a STPT to a precision STPT, not to add extra STPT to your flightplan!!! (Yes you can, but better not do that)Suppose you have a TE and you saved the DTC for Cowboy1.
It does not matter if you saved the DTC in BMS or WDP as they are written in the *.ini file.
In BMS, now you jump into Serpent1 flight… You are then having STPTs in the UI (and *.tac) for Serpent1 and your DTC has STPTs for Cowboy1… problem.
This is also for WDP. WDP will read the .tac file and has the STPTs for this flight (1km precision). If the DTC is not for the same flight you have a problem. This is the reason WDP will ask you if you saved the dtc for THIS flight.
On top of this, the precision STPTs that you created are not the same as the STPT that are in the mission (.tac)Now the other way around…
I don’t have anything touched in wdp… Clean install first time open. Loaded my callsign.ini from my Falcon install (Yes still on a network run… (WDP runs on a different laptop and Falcon on a desktop pc) I have Falcon on the laptop also but I go and open the callsign from the desktop… I have share folder and everything seems to work properly)
I open a mission in Falcon I save the DTC I save the mission
Then I go to WDP and I open the mission.
Then comes this question… what should I do? As u say I must say no… right?Are you working with the same flight?
You see, it is not about saving the DTC, it is about working with the same flight.Second scenario…
I make in WDP some stp’s and some like tacans, friendly or foe sams (I have build a TE where I have those). So they are the saved ones as u call them that I can use for every mission right?
So in Falcon I open an MP TE I save the DTC, I save the mission.
In WDP I open the mission then the question pops up what should I answer to see those? yes? will I also have the changes I just made in my mission, and the TACAN stations I declared earlier in WDP?As before, the question is asked for the STPTs only.
I am not going to answer the other questions as they are concerning other things.
It better that you understand this part first before we continue.So in short.
- STPTs in the DTC are for one flight only.
- The STPTs in the DTC or the saved mission (*.tac) can be different.
- Its not about if you saved a DTC, but for what flight.
Gr Falcas
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Still can’t see why the question is there… what is the benefit from this question?
Yes the DTC is for this mission… so it loads only the DTC.
No so it loads the same data like previous not from DTC but from the mission file…Either way it will load the same data whatever I choose… Why do I have to answer to a question that either way it will load what it has to load?
I mean always load the mission…
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Still can’t see why the question is there… what is the benefit from this question?
Yes the DTC is for this mission… so it loads only the DTC.
This is not what I wrote. I wrote that it is about the flight. In one mission you might have 1 flight or 10 flights.
The DTC is saved for only that one specific flight, not the mission.No so it loads the same data like previous not from DTC but from the mission file…
Either way it will load the same data whatever I choose… Why do I have to answer to a question that either way it will load what it has to load?The data from the DTC is not the same as in the mission file!!!
gr Falcas
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Still can’t see why the question is there… what is the benefit from this question?
Yes the DTC is for this mission… so it loads only the DTC.
No so it loads the same data like previous not from DTC but from the mission file…Either way it will load the same data whatever I choose… Why do I have to answer to a question that either way it will load what it has to load?
I mean always load the mission…
Concrete Head…did you “Get It”???..LOL…
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lol nope… yet. :rofl:
when I said mission I meant flight. we use more mission then flight in my language…
well my thing is why do i have to remember and distinguish all those dtc flight mission weather ini cfg backup load in another mission… Now I sow PPT and I totaly forgot what it stands for. I searched the manual but there is only the PPT no explainaton… oh Lord… I’m totaly loosing it…
They are program related. Still dont see mission relation.This is more confusing and time demanding then the mission itself… (for me).
Anyway as a genuine Pontiac don’t mind me… I got stack again with your wonderful app. I will leave it for now.
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I have a question about refusal speeds. Sometimes I get a a refusal speed that’s a couple of knots slower than my rotation or liftoff speed (can’t remember which, but it turns red indicating something ain’t right) even with 13* pitch and full AB. This happens most often with the F-16I+CFTs. I also keep getting a refusal speed of 8kts with the F-16C-30I. Are the Israeli jets not friendly with WDP or am I doing something wrong?
In KTO it works 98% of the time but I will occasionally get a refusal speed in the red. Is it a weight issue?
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when refusal is below rotate, it means that you dont have enough runway to stop in if something goes wrong. you reach V1 before rotate basically, and if you have an engine failure on the runway above V1 (above refusal) you have to take off and look for a clear landing field ahead (like a nice flat field/paddock/house). Even if you dont take off, you will overrun the end of the runway.
so basically, refusal should be above rotate speed - that way you can still abort on the runway, in case of emergency situation.
EDIT: and yes it is a weight issue, because the heavier you are, the more runway you need to take off and land.
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Weight would explain why it happens with CFTs so often then. I’ve had it once or twice with a standard Block 50 as well but I can’t remember what my configuration was.
What about the 8kts refusal speed for the F-16C-40I? That one doesn’t make much sense.
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Im guessing there is something screwy with that jet, it almost always gives me a refusal of 3 knots… maybe it has a setting that is wrong which WDP reads, does some math and comes back with a wrong number because the first number is wrong?
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Im guessing there is something screwy with that jet, it almost always gives me a refusal of 3 knots… maybe it has a setting that is wrong which WDP reads, does some math and comes back with a wrong number because the first number is wrong?
I have to take a look at this one.
Let you know what is going on.Gr Falcas
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Hi,
so basically, refusal should be above rotate speed - that way you can still abort on the runway, in case of emergency situation.
Close, but not 100%.
Refusal does not need to be above rotation speed. You just know that if you are above refusal you will not be able to stop the AC on the runway. You should consider ejection if you are above refusal and you have an engine problem.
YOu have the same problem if you just got airborne and your engine stops working.EDIT: and yes it is a weight issue, because the heavier you are, the more runway you need to take off and land.
Does not have to be weight only. It can be a couple of factors, runway lenght, runway condition(wet/dry/ice), wind ect.
Gr Falcas
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I also keep getting a refusal speed of 8kts with the F-16C-30I. Are the Israeli jets not friendly with WDP or am I doing something wrong?
Could you give me an example to reproduce it? Meaning at which airbase and loadout do you get this?
I can not reproduce it so far.Gr Falcas
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Could you give me an example to reproduce it? Meaning at which airbase and loadout do you get this?
I can not reproduce it so far.Gr Falcas
Falcas, if you want you can also discuss this with me on TS, i can help narrowing it down.
ps. did you get my reply on “the other forum” ?
CU, Scuby
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Falcas, if you want you can also discuss this with me on TS, i can help narrowing it down.
ps. did you get my reply on “the other forum” ?
CU, Scuby
Ik ben op TS
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I have a question about refusal speeds. Sometimes I get a a refusal speed that’s a couple of knots slower than my rotation or liftoff speed (can’t remember which, but it turns red indicating something ain’t right) even with 13* pitch and full AB. This happens most often with the F-16I+CFTs. I also keep getting a refusal speed of 8kts with the F-16C-30I. Are the Israeli jets not friendly with WDP or am I doing something wrong?
In KTO it works 98% of the time but I will occasionally get a refusal speed in the red. Is it a weight issue?
Im guessing there is something screwy with that jet, it almost always gives me a refusal of 3 knots… maybe it has a setting that is wrong which WDP reads, does some math and comes back with a wrong number because the first number is wrong?
Weight would explain why it happens with CFTs so often then. I’ve had it once or twice with a standard Block 50 as well but I can’t remember what my configuration was.
What about the 8kts refusal speed for the F-16C-40I? That one doesn’t make much sense.
Ik ben op TS
Issue has been found! and Falcas is already fixing it