I hadn’t played since 4.33, came back and it started doing it again, and very often.
Pretty sure I tried flipping master modes, however I will try it again.
I guess I can always switch it to keyboard or the hat switch that controls camera and see if it happens there too or if its something to do with that pinky cursor.

Appreciate the replies.

@windnc60:

ok I’m certain there are more than one solution, and maybe that in itself is confusing but here’s what worked for me. Many many thanks to MALC and those who have shared their wisdom and I feel obligated to do the same, mine will be concise.

RTTClient64 is pretty easy to use once you understand it and your monitor’s actual position, eh? And repositioning your 19" monitor is a simply drag/reposition in Win10 Display Settings should you want to, then just do a quick adjust of RTT coordinates…

Hi folks,

scouring the cellar for an old competition pro microswitch I found this… it works really nicely, is a non-destructive install and provides all the feedback needed for an “afterburner detent” switch (at least as good as the one on the HOTAS Cougar throttle).

Mod in operation (with sound :))

https://zif.gplrank.info/hoover/bms/hoovers_poor_mans_ab_detent_switch.mpg

Cost in parts: 0€ / $0
Install time: 5 minutes (if you have a strip of velcro lying around)

All the best,

Uwe

@Frederf:

Alt Launcher has facility to do 0x42 binds.

Ok, I set up the “RDR ALTM” switch in Alt-Launcher to ON (NRM) with DX25 and Off with DX25 RELEASE. The switch moves between the two perfectly in AL but in BMS only the ON works. Any idea what I’m missing or is this a question for the Alt Launcher thread? Pic of the switch set up…

Edit: No idea what I did but they work perfectly now! In the interim I found an older Alt Launcher ReadMe showing the Press Release setup, I can only assume its no longer valid…

@linknet:

PULSE+L_SHIFT+L_CTL+L_ALT+‘o’ or any combination of these.

Thank you, it is working great now 🙂

@Frederf:

256 is the default value. If it’s missing from cfg then it will be 256. It’s been a config variable for a long time. It’s not a new feature. Besides the magnitude won’t affect how the short-duration tap function works in any case.

The behavior of SimHotasPinkyShift depends on the duration of the tap. By default presses <200ms are expand function and >200ms are shift function. If your expand function isn’t working you might not be tapping the callback briefly enough. To change the time threshold, edit set g_nHotasShiftQuickPressTimeLimit 200 where 200 is the time in milliseconds the callback has to be held to do the shift function.

Frederf, you da’man. That was exactly the problem. Thx

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i use a TM WARTHOG , MFDs and a Logitech G13 and AL works great with all of them.

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Hey everyone,

Thanks for your responses!
I got my hands on Alternative Launcher & wow! What a game changes. Fixed every concern and problem I was having.

Thanks again for all of your assistance and suggestions.

Nick

So I copied my 4.33 customized key bindings to 4.35, did what I thought was the standard stuff to get the various axis binding set, and I’m stumped.

I can never get the toe brakes to work - for some reason they are bound to the the pitch and roll of the stick and can’t be changed. Tried to set them to keyboard but no dice. Checked axismapping and it isn’t read only.

Gave up on that, set stick and throttle so they work find in setup, do an apply, and then try a simple landing from 10 miles out (training). Either the stick works and I have no engine control or I have engine control and no stick. I’m not that good to make the field in either case, but I did declare an emergency!

I see everybody is moving to the alternate launcher but I missed that boat when my primary gaming machine had a hardware issue and my budget didn’t cover the repair.

So, what’s the easy way to get back to playing in 4.35? What’s the proper care and feeding of the setup to get my axis all bound or do I investigate the mystery of the alternative launcher?

New Version!

Frederf’s TARGET Profile
Falcon BMS 4.35
30 DEC 2020

Main Features

Throttle controller only. Joystick device is treated as separate controller. Included key file Button numbers mirror closely non-TARGET controller Extensive comments showing device binds, functions, button ID numbers, callbacks, and needed BMS file edits DirectX assignments (exception instrument lights on ‘i’ and ‘o’) Realistic layout Cutoff function for two engine aircraft Virtual axes by button press Landing gear handle Common priority functions hands on

Switches

Cursor and enable on slew control with custom axis curve and inversion, no need to invert Y axis in setup. Adjust curve as desired. Uncage, Mic switch press Roll AP switch, AP Engage button, inc/dec based on length of press Landing Gear Handle, Friction Slider easy to activate heads up, won’t command gear down if air start and left in bad position Speed brake switch as himself MO/DGFT uses self-cancel to economize on DirectX buttons Interior and cockpit lights, pinky switch intelligently uses short throws of switch to adjust panel lights and long throws to gradually inc/dec the flood knob Slap switch, LTB there when you need it AR door, fuel switch left, moved from keyboard to handy switch this version EMCON, fuel switch right, easy silencing when joining the tanker Probe heat, moved to engine operate switch left, shared with MPO on the ignition spring loaded position CAT I/III, moved to engine operate switch right, shared with E-jettison. Shed stores and end up CAT I in one motion Master Arm, APU on Horn silence right where the label says AVTR, flap switch off, auto, and on in an easy to find switch Master lights, still EAC AP Pitch, still on the three-position switch, has a 250ms delay because my AP switch flickers revert to simple logic if desired Throttle cutoff for both engines just works without enabling and configuring analog “red line” COM-IFF, coolie hat, POV2 is enabled to handle this needed control

Axes

FOV, on the mic switch forward-aft at your thumb Both throttle axes Antenna elevation, china hat Range knob, on the mic switch up-down

(.TMC comments are aligned in TARGET script editor for clearer reading)

include "target.tmh" int main() { //TARGET CONFIGURATION Configure(&Joystick, MODE_EXCLUDED); //Joystick Excluded SetKBRate(100, 50); //PULSE, DELAY SetKBLayout(KB_ENG); //English if(Init(&EventHandle)) return 1; /* TARGET SCRIPT FOR FALCON BMS 4.35, BMS - Duck v10.tmc */ //CONTROLLERS //Controller //Keyboard //**Joystick - HOTAS Warthog** 00-31 //Thrustmaster Combined 32-63 //CH PRO PEDALS USB 64-95 //AB/Idle Green Line 90% /*Current Keyfile BMS - DUCK v18 Mapping Function ## Callback 0x42 Joystick - HOTAS Warthog DX1 TG1 Trigger (1/2) 0 SimTriggerFirstDetent DX2 S2 Weapon Release 1 SimPickle DX3 S3 Pinky Switch 2 SimPinkySwitch DX4 S4 AP Override 3 SimAPOverride DX5 S1 NWS Missile Step AAR 4 SimMissileStep DX6 TG2 Trigger (2/2) 5 SimTriggerSecondDetent DX7 H2U TMS Up 6 SimTMSUp DX8 H2R TMS Right 7 SimTMSRight DX9 H2D TMS Down 8 SimTMSDown DX10 H2L TMS Left 9 SimTMSLeft DX11 H3U DMS Forward 10 SimDMSUp DX12 H3R DMS Right 11 SimDMSRight DX13 H3D DMS Down 12 SimDMSDown DX14 H3L DMS Left 13 SimDMSLeft DX15 H4U CMS Up 14 SimCMSUp DX16 H4R CMS Right 15 SimCMSRight DX17 H4D CMS Down 16 SimCMSDown DX18 H4L CMS Left 17 SimCMSLeft DX19 H4P Not Used 18 DX20-32 Not Used 19-31 POVU H1U Trim Nose Up POV2 0 AFElevatorTrimUp POVR H1R Trim Aileron Right POV2 2 AFAileronTrimRight POVD H1D Trim Nose Down POV2 4 AFElevatorTrimDown POVL H1L Trim Aileron Left POV2 6 AFAileronTrimLeft Thrustmaser Combined*/ MapKey(&Throttle, SC, DX1); //Cursor Enable 32 SimCursorEnable MapKey(&Throttle, MSP, DX2); //Uncage 33 SimToggleMissileCage //DX3 RDRNRM Landing Light 34 SimLandingLightUp SimLandingLightMid //DX4 APENG AP Roll (Dec) 35 SimLeftAPDec //DX5 FC INCR Landing Gear Up 36 AFGearUp //DX6 FC DECR Landing Gear Down 37 AFGearDown KeyAxis(&Throttle, THR_FC,0, AXMAP2(3,DX5,0,PULSE+DX6)); MapKey(&Throttle, SPDF, DX7); //Speedbrake In 38 AFBrakesIn MapKey(&Throttle, SPDB, DX8); //Speedbrake Out 39 AFBrakesOut MapKey(&Throttle, BSF, DX9); //Missile Override 40 SimSelectMRMOverrdie MapKey(&Throttle, BSB, DX10); //DGFT 41 SimSelectSRMOverrdie //DX11 CHF 42 //DX12 CHB 43 //DX13 PSF Interior Light CW 44 SimInteriorLightCW SimInstrumentLightCW //DX14 PSB Interior Light CCW 45 SimInteriorLightCCW SimInstrumentLightCCW MapKey(&Throttle, LTB, DX15); //Slap Switch 46 SimSlapSwitch MapKey(&Throttle, EFLNORM, DX16); //Air Refueling 47 SimFuelDoorClose SimFuelDoorOpen MapKey(&Throttle, EFRNORM, DX17); //EMCON 48 SimRFNorm SimRFQuiet MapKey(&Throttle, EOLMOTOR, DX18); //Probe Heat 49 SimProbeHeatOff SimProbeHeatOn MapKey(&Throttle, EORMOTOR, DX19); //CAT I/III 50 SimCATIII SimCATI MapKey(&Throttle, APUON, DX20); //Master Arm On 51 SimArmMasterArm SimSafeMasterArm MapKey(&Throttle, LDGH, DX21); //Horn Silence 52 SimSilenceHorn MapKey(&Throttle, FLAPU, DX22); //AVTR On/Auto 53 SimAVTRSwitchOn SimAVTRSwitchAuto MapKey(&Throttle, FLAPD, DX23); //AVTR Off/Auto 54 SimAVTRSwitchOff SimAVTRSwitchAuto MapKey(&Throttle, EACON, DX24); //Master Lights 55 SimExtlMasterNorm SimExtlMasterOff //Taxi Light 56 SimLandingLightDown SimLandingLightMid MapKey(&Throttle, RDRNRM, SEQ(DX25,DX3)); //AP Roll 57 SimLeftAPInc MapKey(&Throttle, APENG, TEMPO(DX26,DX4,500)); //AP Pitch Up/Mid 58 SimRightAPUp SimRightAPMid MapKey(&Throttle, APPAT, TEMPO(0,DX27,250)); //AP Pitch Down/Mid 59 SimRightAPDown SimRightAPMid MapKey(&Throttle, APALT, TEMPO(0,DX28,250)); MapKey(&Throttle, IDLERON, DX29); //Throttle Cutoff Right 60 SimThrottleIdleDetentRight MapKey(&Throttle, IDLELON, DX30); //Throttle Cutoff Left 61 SimThrottleIdleDetentLeft MapKey(&Throttle, EOLIGN, DX31); //Master Pitch Override 62 SimMPO MapKey(&Throttle, EORIGN, DX32); //Emergency-Jettison 63 SimEmergencyJettison MapKey(&Throttle, CSU, DXHATUP); //COMM-IFF UHF POV2 0 SimTransmitCom1 MapKey(&Throttle, CSR, DXHATRIGHT); //COMM-IFF IN POV2 2 SimCommsSwitchRight MapKey(&Throttle, CSD, DXHATDOWN); //COMM-IFF VHF POV2 4 SimTransmitCom2 MapKey(&Throttle, CSL, DXHATLEFT); //COMM-IFF OUT POV2 6 SimCommsSwitchLeft //ADVANCED OPTIONS //VIEW CONTROL //Field of View X Rotation - Thrustmaser Combined MapKey(&Throttle, MSR, AXIS(DX_XROT_AXIS,-250,10) ); MapKey(&Throttle, MSL, AXIS(DX_XROT_AXIS, 250,10) ); //FLIGHT CONTROL //Rudder Axis Z Axis - CH PRO PEDALS USB (Dead Zone Small) //Throttle Axis Throttle - Thrustmaster Combined MapAxis(&Throttle, THR_LEFT, DX_THROTTLE_AXIS); //Right Engine Throttle Axis Z Axis - Thrustmaster Combined MapAxis(&Throttle, THR_RIGHT, DX_Z_AXIS); //Pitch Axis Y Axis - Joystick - HOTAS Warthog (Dead Zone Small) //Roll Axis X Axis - Joystick - HOTAS Warthog (Dead Zone Small) //AVIONICS CONTROL //Radar Antenna Elevation Z Rotation - Thrustmaster Combined (Dead Zone None) MapKey(&Throttle, CHF, AXIS(DX_ZROT_AXIS, 60,10) ); MapKey(&Throttle, CHB, AXIS(DX_ZROT_AXIS,-60,10) ); //Cursor X X Axis - Thrustmaser Combined (Dead Zone None) MapAxis(&Throttle, SCX, DX_X_AXIS); //Cursor Y Y Axis - Thrustmaser Combined (Dead Zone None) MapAxis(&Throttle, SCY, DX_Y_AXIS); //Range Knob Y Rotation - Thrustmaser Combined (Dead Zone None) MapKey(&Throttle, MSU, AXIS(DX_YROT_AXIS,-200,10) ); MapKey(&Throttle, MSD, AXIS(DX_YROT_AXIS, 200,10) ); //ADDITIONAL CODE //Custom Curve for left and right throttle SetCustomCurve(&Throttle, THR_LEFT, LIST(0,0, 65,90, 75,90, 100,100)); SetCustomCurve(&Throttle, THR_RIGHT, LIST(0,0, 65,90, 75,90, 100,100)); //Custom Curve for cursor X and Y SetCustomCurve(&Throttle, SCX, LIST(0,0, 10,40, 35,50, 65,50, 90,60, 100,100)); SetCustomCurve(&Throttle, SCY, LIST(0,100, 10,60, 35,50, 65,50, 90,40, 100,0)); //Cockpit Lighting & Backlight Control MapKey(&Throttle, PSF, TEMPO( PULSE+'i', REXEC(0,333,"ActKey(PULSE+KEYON+DX13);"), 500 )); MapKey(&Throttle, PSM, PULSE+LED(&Throttle, LED_INTENSITY, 0)); MapKey(&Throttle, PSB, TEMPO( PULSE+'o', REXEC(1,333,"ActKey(PULSE+KEYON+DX14);"), 500 )); //Slider Axis (Not Used) MapAxis(&Throttle, THR_FC, DX_SLIDER_AXIS); /* \User\Config\FALCON BMS.CFG set g_bHotasDgftSelfCancel 1 set g_bUseAnalogIdleCutoff 0 set g_nNumOfPOVs 2 set g_nPOV1DeviceID 2 set g_nPOV1ID 0 set g_nPOV2DeviceID 3 set g_nPOV2ID 0 */ /* \User\Config\DeviceSorting.txt {0402044F-0000-0000-0000-504944564944} "Joystick - HOTAS Warthog" {FFFF044F-0000-0000-0000-504944564944} "Thrustmaster Combined" {00F2068E-0000-0000-0000-504944564944} "CH PRO PEDALS USB " */ } int EventHandle(int type, alias o, int x){ DefaultMapping(&o, x); }

Target by Thrustmaster is better than Alternative Launcher. See “jc1 Profile” in Warthog forum.

Try disabling the Microsoft store. It tends to break target. Teamspeak can also do this too.
To disable the Microsoft store from running in the background. In windows 10, Hit the start button, type background Apps. Turn off everything you don’t need, reboot. See if target is functioning properly. Target should hide your joystick and throttle when running.

How to find device ID? Just go to devicesorting file, note the order of the devices, and +1 ( because 1 is always the keyboard). Put that numbers in the set g_nPOV1DeviceID and you are done

Check this as it’s a possible solution. https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?34805-WH-Throttle-functionality-some-may-not-know-about&p=556564#post556564

Sorry I haven’t really participated in this forums, this has been long time unansered. Answering this now in case someone still takes interest.

@l3crusader:

That being said, since your option is linked to throttle calibration and not linked to any software, I’m not sure I would do it. DCS, for example, usually assumes the IDLE position is linked to a ‘0’ input on the DX axis. I would have to tweak all the axis curve in DCS to add the corresponding deadzone.

This is indeed an isse in some software but mostly a small one in DCS and other software as you don’t need a custom user curve. In DCS setting your axis to a slider and adding a deadzone or a Saturation X (can’t remember wich one does the trick) will allow you to use this axis with this calibration.

Thanks for posting those screenshots, jc1.

When I was trying to noodle this out, back in January, I was distracting myself with another problem: I didn’t correctly understand what “cursor X” and “cursor Y” meant. My understanding of those two axes was wrong. I think that when I came up with the “mind hack” of trying to move the real-world image with the cursors, I was just so happy to have gotten cursor X and cursor Y straightened out. But I hadn’t realized that the cursor movements are reversed, when one compares MARK-HUD with FLIR.

One other thought occurs to me, though… and someone should definitely check me on this, because I tend to get these things backward…

I wonder if, when boresighting the FLIR, a cursor-down movement of the cursor switch is meant to slew the FLIR camera’s aim point downward, relative to the fuselage of the aircraft? That might explain the upward movement of the FLIR image in the HUD, relative to the frame of the HUD.

In which case, the engineers who designed all this stuff in the aircraft might say “The cursor switch slews the FLIR camera the same way it slews the TGP camera. We wanted to keep those two mechanizations (sp?) consistent”. And this would mean we’re stuck doing my “mind hack” with the real-world image.

Of course, I could have all of that bass-ackwards, as I often do. But it makes me wonder if this is all about the direction in which a camera’s aim point is being slewed…

Same here, using my (not quite “el-cheapo” :)) T500RS pedals as a “poor man’s rudder” in BMS using the “virtual rudder” option in Setup->Hardware. Works very nicely!

All the best,

Uwe