@Atlas
Hi, for what it is worth, I simply use the Alternative Launcher which makes it very easy to set up a Warthog hotas - you simply use the AL program and don’t touch the in-game HOTAS screens and you don’t touch the BMS keyfile.

I found I could not bind the throttle POV out-of-the-box with Alternative Launcher 2.1.0, however I have seen no one else with complaints on this, so it appears to be just me.

I then installed and used Alternative Launcher 2.0.0 and I could bind the throttle POV and the stick POV out-of-the-box with no problems.

Version 4.36 04/28/2022

Used the new 4.36 BMS - Full.key file and made my changes to it

Key file and TMC file changes through BMS 4.35.3 remain, except the following

changed PSF to SimEpuOn

changed PSM to SimEpuAuto (CKPT: Norm)

changed PSB to SimEpuOff

changed APUON to SimSmokeOn and added to key file

changed APUOFF to SimSmokeOff and added to key file

changed keyfile Pickle, shifted S2 from AFResetTrim to SimPickle

changed keyfile H4P DX19 shifted and unshifted to AFResetTrim

To use ACMI on the shifted LTB throttle button:

1st press = RECORD for Trigger/Pickle 30 second ACMI clips, no video clips, One LED

2nd press = EVENT MARK for continuous ACMI and
video clip if video software is available. I use Bandicam video software, five LEDs

3rd press = UNTHRD for turning off ACMI and video clip, no LEDs

All my files are available via first post of this thread, “jc1 Profile”.

@airtex2019 well, now in 4.36 the keyboard is id1. So, keyboard is 1, rudder pedals are 2, joystick 3 and throttle 4. On 4.35 rudder was 1, stick 2 and throttle 3. cheers

Thanks MaxWaldorf for your quick response.
At the moment it works well for me, 100% of what I use usually works. I’ll keep testing secondary keys to check.

<p>@sirvalley <br />Which AL version recently added the default templates, for many popular sticks and throttles… is that in 2.0? I’d recommend give that a try.<br /><a href=“https://github.com/chihirobelmo/FalconBMS-Alternative-Launcher/releases/tag/v2.0.0” target=“_blank”>https://github.com/chihirobelmo/FalconBMS-Alternative-Launcher/releases/tag/v2.0.0</a><br /><br /></p>

<p>Do you have the same throttle curves? Do you have the same windows calibration? Unless it is the same device on the same pc, I can’t see why it would be exactly the same. <br /><br />But how different are the throttles? If you are both flying together in formation and both go to a/b, is your speed the same once you both hit top speed?<br /><br /></p>

<p>@lrichings I use vjoy and Joystick Gremlin.</p>

<p>@badboy45 Configuration is on the Alternative Launchers launcher page. Look for an Orange icon with CFG marked “config”</p>

<p>@Necker <br />I think it’s one or the other (keyboard/hat -or- analog thumbstick) not both.<br /><br />There is a config option to control the overall speed of the cursor…<br /><br />Also, if you decide to use the analog thumbstick, there are some special cfg options to apply sensitivity-curves to the axes.<br /><a href=“https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/20793/how-do-you-slow-the-speed-of-the-x56-mini-stick-that-controls-the-cursor?_=1645415674255” target=“_blank”>https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/20793/how-do-you-slow-the-speed-of-the-x56-mini-stick-that-controls-the-cursor</a><br /><br />I haven’t tried it, but I’ve seen people recommend this setting in the cfg file:<br /><br />set g_nAxisExp_AXIS_CURSOR_X 50<br />set g_nAxisExp_AXIS_CURSOR_Y 50<br /></p>

<p>@drtbkj <br /><br />thank you, now all is set up correctly!! </p>

<p>@mypc I’m thinking the 12mm will work ok for me, punches arrive today so we shall see. I’m hoping I don’t need to “tap” on these to get a clean hole through one sheet of heavy photo paper, would assume it’s sharp enough for a quick twist to do the job. I can always put a better edge on the tool with my Dremel if necessary, and I have some wood it that ends up the best way to do it! Ideally if there was a deep reach 12-14mm hole punch it would be wonderful, but i’ll be darned if I can find one!<br /><br />EDIT: Punches arrived and while they are pretty sharp twisting with hand pressure isn’t going to cut it (pun intended). Will try hammer/wood punch next…</p>

@drtbkj said in Warthog Slider as Gear Lever?:

@frederf said in Warthog Slider as Gear Lever?:

I have this kind of thing on almost every single TARGET script for aircraft with retractable gear: KeyAxis(&Throttle, THR_FC, 0, AXMAP2(3, DX1, 0, DX30));
TARGET takes your normal device/devices and disconnects them logically, replacing them with a virtual controller that the script programs. The script when run hides the non-excluded natural controllers and unhides the virtual controller. Windows 10 sometimes has an issue with a program (especially not admin rights) adjusting devices as that’s a security risk. I have occasional issues but for the most part works fine.

Then you bind the buttons 1 and 30 to gear up and down (or down and up) and you have a three position gear handle. The middle position is nice because you can leave it there and it won’t do either in case of an air or ground start.

Hi, Frederf, If I understand this correctly, it sounds like what I want to do, which is to make the slider a 2 posit DX switch. Please check my procedure

When I saw what you entered above, it looked to me like something that would go in a Config file. I looked in the TARGET GUI for such a place and found “view script” in the axis part of TARGET. I replaced the stock KeyAxis(&Throttle, THR_FC, 0, AXMAP2( LIST( 0, 39, 69 ), with what you wrote above. I went into the Virtual keyboard and saved the DX 1 and 30 commands to the events I tried this with the THRFC axis at the stock Dx_Slider_ Axis and at “none”
In all cases I see the same results. The “Gear Handle” works but the other switches do not.
Either I’m doing something wrong, or we’re back to what Sobo wrote: TARGET overrides AL and UI . And because of that , the only way this will work is if I program the entire throttle/base with TARGET. Do you concur with that?

You possibly goofed the .tmc file that the GUI creates. The GUI is just a pretty interface to write a script file for you. Both TARGET GUI and TARGET Script Editor are TARGET. Once the script is generated/written and run there is no difference between GUI and hand-written script as far as other software is concerned.

Then input-output chain goes like this: Joystick hardware -> logical controller -> Falcon configuration files -> F-16

Without TARGET in use the hardware and logical controller are fixed. You press trigger, button 1 comes out; can’t change it. TARGET virtual controller is an entirely separate logical controller from the game’s point of view. Running the script “unplugs” the logical controller and “plugs in” the virtual logical controller which is why you hear the USB plugging noises when you run a script. From a game’s perspective this is indistinguishable from unplugging one real piece of hardware and plugging in a different real piece of hardware. If Falcon is configured to use the normal Warthog controller and you change to the TARGET virtual controller you have to start all over.

Changing the TARGET script changes how the logical controller acts depending on the hardware input. (TBC)

@windnc60 This is fixed as well. Reassign x-y axis on the throttle and the avionics page and then go back to Joystick as the main Flight Controller.

@drtbkj - on the RL grip/stick the Paddle isn’t part of the grip - the only one to get this right and leave the Paddle off is Real Sim, even though they didn’t get the part anatomy and/or number of switch positions strictly “correct” either. In RL the Paddle is part of the stick itself, mounted on the top of an electronics box on the stalk.

The issue with small hands is what concerns me most - someone with smaller hands is really going to notice. I have pretty medium-sized mitts and the RL grip fits my hands like it was made for them…and I really notice how much bigger the TM one is. An even bigger issue would be if the button forces were to match the RL grip - they are much lighter than a real one, and maybe this is a reason why.

Personally, I like/prefer the heavier buttons and stick forces. Just plain feels more like an airplane.

OK, i managed to find how i do it.

I removed the PULSE+ from the 2 lines in the script and it works like a charm 🙂

Thanks guys 🙂

@mypc said in Warthog F-16 Joystick vs. CH Pro - anyone made the switch to TM?:

@icer [Thread hijack]
Thanks.

So, looking at this: MapKey(&Throttle, IDLEROFF, PULSE+DX51); If I had a simple dx32 game, that would put the switch in that position out of use and no longer sending a command, even when in that position?

I’m not sure, but if a game does not “see” DX33-128 (like BMS) I would say the script should not be run at all. You may be better off with something like Joy2Key for that but I really don’t know…

@drtbkj:

Well, this has been educational- It turns out button 7 is my airbrake full forward posit. And , 25 is the throttle based switch I have Launch Bar-Retracted to. When I turn those switches off, then the Game Controller “stuck” indications went out. I had to slap my head with that one. ;).
This has got me thinking that the issue may be in AL. Perhaps my DX Pinky shift got corrupted?

Yes, DX7 is AirBrake extend, DX8 is AirBrake Retract, center position is null. On my (stock) Warthog up position is DX25 (labeled Radar Alt to NORM), down is Null (I use it for Laser On\OFF (release) with Alt Launcher).

Hm, the problem appears seldom enough for me to not worry about it too much, since BMS 4.35 was released it has happened maybe twice or so. I also use some switches on the TQS within rf2 (pit speed limiter and others, also some buttons on the G25 shifter I kept when upgrading to the T500RS wheel a few years ago) and those have never let me down, it’s an issue I’ve seen exclusively in BMS so far.

I tested running rf2 yesterday and then lauching BMS “straight to taxiway” after quitting rf2 without a reboot and everything worked fine, so if that’s the issue it’s not 100% reproducible I’m afraid.

All the best,

Uwe