SA 10's are a beeeooottch!!
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Thanks Lorik! Guess ill have to frag my own mission to dispose of the SA 10’s. The AI is tasked with that mission but they always fail as well. They are supposed to SEAD ahead of me and take care of the SA 10’s while I bomb an underground factory. And yes they shoot me down with no warning as soon as I enter their engagement zone!!
You’ll have fun with that, I just recently did the same(fragging a “campaign within a campaign”).
Also, while we’re on the subject, I may have a SA-10 evasion maneuver(or, I just got lucky). I was ambushed by a -10 about 20 miles away, as I was passing on my way to my fragged target. I immediately rolled in on it, only to get 2 more -10 rwr warnings.
I immediately aborted, turned 90 degrees to the site(although the Threat Guide says beaming not too effective), went to a mil power split-s(doing my Slap program all the way) , and pulled out moving away from the sites at about 100 feet.
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You’ll have fun with that, I just recently did the same(fragging a “campaign within a campaign”).
Also, while we’re on the subject, I may have a SA-10 evasion maneuver(or, I just got lucky). I was ambushed by a -10 about 20 miles away, as I was passing on my way to my fragged target. I immediately rolled in on it, only to get 2 more -10 rwr warnings.
I immediately aborted, turned 90 degrees to the site(although the Threat Guide says beaming not too effective), went to a mil power split-s(doing my Slap program all the way) , and pulled out moving away from the sites at about 100 feet.
So, what does The Group think, good or lucky?Good. I happened to work on evading SA-10 with ground elevation, one more “would you believe me if I told you” I guess
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?30551-SA-10-mountains-and-Maverick-bit-of-boresight-bit-of-firing-lot-of-evasion -
You’ll have fun with that, I just recently did the same(fragging a “campaign within a campaign”).
Also, while we’re on the subject, I may have a SA-10 evasion maneuver(or, I just got lucky). I was ambushed by a -10 about 20 miles away, as I was passing on my way to my fragged target. I immediately rolled in on it, only to get 2 more -10 rwr warnings.
I immediately aborted, turned 90 degrees to the site(although the Threat Guide says beaming not too effective), went to a mil power split-s(doing my Slap program all the way) , and pulled out moving away from the sites at about 100 feet.
So, what does The Group think, good or lucky?I never get any warning at all from SA 10’s. Im usually just flying and then…BAM!!! Im ejecting, exiting BMS and loading Tacview to find out what got me…always (on this mission) its always an SA 10 ordinance that got me.
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I never get any warning at all from SA 10’s. Im usually just flying and then…BAM!!! Im ejecting, exiting BMS and loading Tacview to find out what got me…always (on this mission) its always an SA 10 ordinance that got me.
That’s because you won’t usually get a warning from the Grumble. If you do, you’re actually lucky, it’s rare.
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I never get any warning at all from SA 10’s. Im usually just flying and then…BAM!!! Im ejecting, exiting BMS and loading Tacview to find out what got me…always (on this mission) its always an SA 10 ordinance that got me.
Maybe it’s just because I’m paranoidingly(doubt that’s a word :rolleyes:) watching the rwr. I’ll get the little boxed “10” and that’s it . At that point I’m defending, although at times I wonder if the AI is sneaky enough to spoof me into an active threat .
That’s what I’m liking this BfB campaign I’m doing. There are SAM’s all over the place, and at least to this point they’ve not run out of missiles. -
Yup. A quick flash of a 10 on the RWR is all I ever see. When (if) I see it, I pull a “Brave Sir Robin” and head for the weeds…
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From my experience, RWR can warn you when you’re close enough to the SA-10 site but not sure if it’s consistent every time… Also, load up an HTS pod even if you’re not packing HARMs since it will increase your situational awareness, unless you’re 100% sure that you’re not dealing with serious SAMs like SA-6/10/11/15/17… Anyhow, when you’re dealing with an SA-10, the HAD page will provide you with enough info for you to determine whether or not the SA-10 fired on you… Basically, once the 10 turns red (meaning that the radar is tracking you) you can be 99% sure that the SA-10 fired on you… If you see the 10 turning red and you’re not taking evasive action, you’re asking to be shot down :mrgreen:
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…begging.
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I keep trying to fly an AI strike guarde by an SA5, SA2, and SA10. Im able to avoid the SA5 and SA2 but the SA 10 keeps shooting me down. Im flying a block 40. I now know from a little research that I prob should be flying NOE to get below the 600ft minimum engagement altitude of the SA 10.
My question is since the block 40 doesn’t have the flir/tfr setup is there a way to change a file or setting to install this equipment on my bird?
Because that is what they do, they are area deinal under certain capabilites. Even the oldest S-300 variant is far, far beyond the stone age old systems. You can argue the EW modelnig values but the missiel kinematics what it makes really different. You cannot outman. them. While in Falcon their capabilites are undermodeled. They have still one target channel, no anti HARM capability while your ARM are totally all aspect…
In RL flying against any version of SA-10 without ALE-50/55 + EW + rain of HARMs is quite suicidal even it has only 105 launch arc limitation because of RPN (Flap Lid)
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With SA-10 everywhere I’ve managed to sneak right to the northernmost chinese airbase multiple times and durandal the hell out of it.
I was just flying low and always trying to put some ground between me and SA-10 spikes. Granted last few miles were always intense since it’s quite flat and I could see SA-10 launch on me time and again but I guess they never hit me because missiles couldn’t do the dive.
Basically as soon as I get a SA-10 spike on RWR I always dive as low as possible. That of course brings a ton of other risks into play but at least defeats SA-10.
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Compadre, if you’re referring to HAD in the Hornet, me too! When I’m flying the Viper, with HAD, it almost feels like I’m “cheating”.
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Exactly. It needs a human brain to bug the Grumble and silence it
Edit: or a Prowler or Growler in the air at the same time…
If you fly with Prowler/Growler in the same package it used to jam the Sams. I do not now if this still works in 3.33
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If you fly with Prowler/Growler in the same package it used to jam the Sams. I do not now if this still works in 3.33
Nurse, this is something I’ve wondered about. I’m unsure to what extent the EW birds are modeled, how effective.
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Nurse, this is something I’ve wondered about. I’m unsure to what extent the EW birds are modeled, how effective.
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See there too.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?10298-ECM-PACKAGE&p=132069&viewfull=1#post132069 -
If you fly with Prowler/Growler in the same package it used to jam the Sams. I do not now if this still works in 3.33
You only need one in the air, not in the same package.
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Nurse, this is something I’ve wondered about. I’m unsure to what extent the EW birds are modeled, how effective.
Me too. This past Sunday we flew a strike on Sunch’on airbase. It was a veritable SAM trap. No missions had flown near here up to that point in the campaign so all defenses were full strength. I included a Growler from the carrier to tag along. In the event, not a single SAM was fired at our package. I guessed afterwards that the Growler had made a difference. Of course there are other ways to explain the lack of engagements, but it sure ‘seemed’ to make a difference.
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Me too. This past Sunday we flew a strike on Sunch’on airbase. It was a veritable SAM trap. No missions had flown near here up to that point in the campaign so all defenses were full strength. I included a Growler from the carrier to tag along. In the event, not a single SAM was fired at our package. I guessed afterwards that the Growler had made a difference. Of course there are other ways to explain the lack of engagements, but it sure ‘seemed’ to make a difference.
Which is the other side of the coin, DBond. From the "Weaseling"perspective, you don’t want them to “hide”
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Yes, true. But I was a striker, so….
Just read the thread LorikEolmin linked. Great stuff, thanks very much for that. That is fantastic info right there.
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What’s really interesting to me in this is that manpads don’t appear to be modeled in BMS…they are in FAF, and I’ve been zapped by them there on numerous occasions. All this talk of “getting low” seems to be working without any regard to manpads.
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SA-7 (Grail) Strela-2 is in BMS anyway. KTO theater.