Air brakes ?
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…much, much earlier design approach. As with anything, things get learned as you go. Besides - in the real jet you can likely feel it if the boards are out…and you don’t have to look. We sim-ers don’t get that feedback.
In the F-4 you could feel if the speedbrakes/boards were all the way out and you were going fast, but not at traffic pattern speeds. Same with the F-16.
Had a squadron mate leading a two ship to the range, they took 20 seconds spacing on takeoff due to the weather (less than 500 foot ceiling), flew 8 NM trail enroute to and on an IR route (a military training route that is flown with an IFR clearance from ATC, rather than VFR). At the end of the low level flown single ship at 480 knots simulating a nuclear mission, Lead called #2 to rejoin to see if Lead had a fuel leak because his fuel had become increasingly less than #2’s fuel. #2 rejoined, says there’s no fuel leak, and asks, “Hey is there a reason your gear is down?” I kid you NOT…Lead never raised his gear and never noticed a difference except for the fuel numbers. The gear doors were fine. One smart ass in our squadron penciled in a new line to our Ladies’ Aid (Inflight Guide) page of low level fuel flow numbers for 480 KGS, Gear Down, CL tank, 2 TERs. “Harsh, but fair!”
Back in the Jurassic era we referred to flying the F-16 as the “magic carpet ride.” The jet sounds and feels the same at pretty much every airspeed and configuration. However another bud had his left LEF fail to a 90 degree up (and then rip off the jet as he regained control) at 480 knots and 500 feet. He felt that…
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Hi guys! How can you tell if the airbrakes are open or closed in the F16 ? Beside looking in external view
Marc…
Marc, just to give an alternative-if you keyboard shift +3 you’ll get a little display in the bottom left of your monitor that tells you, among other things, if your airbrakes are open
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In the F-4 you could feel if the speedbrakes/boards were all the way out and you were going fast, but not at traffic pattern speeds. Same with the F-16.
Had a squadron mate leading a two ship to the range, they took 20 seconds spacing on takeoff due to the weather (less than 500 foot ceiling), flew 8 NM trail enroute to and on an IR route (a military training route that is flown with an IFR clearance from ATC, rather than VFR). At the end of the low level flown single ship at 480 knots simulating a nuclear mission, Lead called #2 to rejoin to see if Lead had a fuel leak because his fuel had become increasingly less than #2’s fuel. #2 rejoined, says there’s no fuel leak, and asks, “Hey is there a reason your gear is down?” I kid you NOT…Lead never raised his gear and never noticed a difference except for the fuel numbers. The gear doors were fine. One smart ass in our squadron penciled in a new line to our Ladies’ Aid (Inflight Guide) page of low level fuel flow numbers for 480 KGS, Gear Down, CL tank, 2 TERs. “Harsh, but fair!”
Back in the Jurassic era we referred to flying the F-16 as the “magic carpet ride.” The jet sounds and feels the same at pretty much every airspeed and configuration. However another bud had his left LEF fail to a 90 degree up (and then rip off the jet as he regained control) at 480 knots and 500 feet. He felt that…
Just last night I was flying the FAF A/A Gun Training mission…trying out some new concepts I’ve recently gotten better at in controlling rate and radius. I initially tagged the Mig-29 at the pass, out turned him and he took the fight vertical…at which point I began to out radius him, but made a mistake and ended up defensive in a low level flat scissors…during which I did eventually force an overshoot (I’m improving at that too…pretty much about timing) and tagged the bogey again. But it wasn’t until I heard “BINGO, BINGO” that I realized I’d flown the entire flat scissors potion of the engagement with my boards full out (which maybe I needed to do?)…I eventually finished off the bogey, but was low fuel by the time I did. Managed to RTB from 35 miles out and get on deck safe with 700 lbs remaining - boards in/on-speed approach.
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There was a Mudhen at Nellis last year that was raging around with his board out during the air power demo. He flew two or three passes in a row with it out before pulling it back in.
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We had some Vipers doing that here on purpose so they could be in gate more without going through the Mach.
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Bottom left hand panel just above the RWR power panel shows a little gauge with either dots (open) or CLOSED (closed obviously). It becomes a bit of an excessive habit to constantly keep pushing forward on the SB switch on the throttle. Gas is extremely precious in this jet, and you don’t want to waste it by having the SBs open.
I have a similar unintentional habit, that is that I often forget to bring the SB switch back from close position to the neutral position. One way to ensure they’re closed I guess ha.
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There’s no reason to put them in neutral from closed other than if you’re in a two seater. So I’d say you’re doing it right
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You can replace the brakwind.ogg by this one : http://8thdragons.free.fr/Perso%20DeeJay/Cartes%20FliteStart/NLY/brakwind%20update%20for%20BMS433.rar
(Do not forget to make a backup of the original file!)
VERY FUNNY !!!
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You can replace the brakwind.ogg by this one : http://8thdragons.free.fr/Perso%20DeeJay/Cartes%20FliteStart/NLY/brakwind%20update%20for%20BMS433.rar
(Do not forget to make a backup of the original file!)
:munch::rofl:
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I’m a newbie.
When practicing landings, particularly overhead patterns, I hit the “9” key on the keyboard to check configuration of both speedbrake and landing gear. It’s pretty handy and I’m used to going to the numbers row on the keyboard to change outside views.
I have Track IR and I’m beginning to be able to quickly glance left to see the 3 green for the gear. The speed brake indicator is hard to find in the final turn while combating a three axis PIO!
Blasko
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Much easier to do this with a proper HOTAS. You can simply check whether the airbrake is closed by feeling for the position of the airbrake switch.
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Much easier to do this with a proper HOTAS. You can simply check whether the airbrake is closed by feeling for the position of the airbrake switch.
I have a habit of locking mine in the closed position on the TMWH… What’s that term they use for RL Viper drivers because they’re always pushing it close as a ‘just in case’?
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Some technical info for pit builders. Its an indicator that switches with ground. This is very rare in the cockpit. Also RWR and AOA switch with ground. All other indicators have one common ground.
Just for your info…
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There’s no reason to put them in neutral from closed other than if you’re in a two seater. So I’d say you’re doing it right
If you’re building a pit and using a lot of different switch interfacing over USB, parking the speed brake switch close can cause key collisions - for my setup it can cause the hook to cycle when I apply wheel brakes. So I guard against it by applying a timeout on the speed brake->close command. I timed the time it takes to close the speed brakes from full open (about 4 sec) and null the signal after that time; the timer resets if I move the switch to any other position. No more key collisions.
But I still try to maintain the discipline to return the switch to neutral when it should be there.
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@Stevie, that looks like ghosting on the switches. Programming the speedbrake can be easy done with XKEYS. Closed should be programmed as steady switch (release is the middle position) and the speedbreak open is a momentary switch. With the momentary function you can open the speedbrake step by step (or hold to open full)
What interface do you use for your pit ?
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for the OP
ok so adding this old line in your cfg takes a little out of the Realism but I’m old and eyes are not that great so I quite often fly with this on and glance at it especially during refuels
set g_bBrakeOnHud 1
so what does it do well it adds a analogue value on you guessed it your hud for the air brake realistic nope
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for the OP
ok so adding this old line in your cfg takes a little out of the Realism but I’m old and eyes are not that great so I quite often fly with this on and glance at it especially during refuels
so what does it do well it adds a analogue value on you guessed it your hud for the air brake realistic nope
I think it would be nice to see ALL of the old cfg settings back in the cfg file, maybe under the DEV area and set to 0 on the next release, or at least all of the old ones which are still incorporated in code. Gems like this are great for new players and “Old Eyes” alike.
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not rly possible as some have been or are in the process of removal so I would hate to post something like that here
as in time a lot will disappear and it will lead to inaccurate information I will help out as much as I can though when I see the opportunity too
I agree they can be useful but it also takes away the realism aspect which we work hard on accomplishing
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You can replace the brakwind.ogg by this one : http://8thdragons.free.fr/Perso%20DeeJay/Cartes%20FliteStart/NLY/brakwind%20update%20for%20BMS433.rar
(Do not forget to make a backup of the original file!)
Thats more then what I can take! lol!