Any possible way to come out from Spin ??
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Yeah … language barrier is often an issue on international forums. There are lot of expressions which do not have the same meanings depending on countries.
When I call a friend “ma couille” (my bollocks) … it is really friendly in french. Cruz knows that very well.
… Zweibrucken … man, I miss German’s good sausages!
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Wooo one second, I’m not sure what I’d think if you called me “ma couille” instead of Cruz, that must be another kind of barrier :D.
For the rest, exchanges between devs, whoever they are, and RL pilots who aren’t devs, are fascinating. I feel lucky to have found a place where I can read such debates.
Yeah … language barrier is often an issue on international forums. There are lot of expressions which do not have the same meanings depending on countries.
When I call a friend “ma couille” (my bollocks) … it is really friendly in french. Cruz knows that very well.
… Zweibrucken … man, I miss German’s good sausages!
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Yeah … language barrier is often an issue on international forums. There are lot of expressions which do not have the same meanings depending on countries.
I hope you find this funny, it made me laugh 35 years ago. A joke told to me by a German friend in english.
What do you call a person that speaks several languages?
Multilingual or Polyglot
What do you call a person that speaks two languages?
Bilingual
What do you call a person that speaks ONLY one language?
American :rofl:
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Very nice! And it works also with Frenchs (in general)
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Any possible way to come out from Spin ??
Eject.
:uham:
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I don’t have enough fingers now to count the number of times where real engineering data proved real f16 pilots to be wrong ….
We have seen that happening haven´t we.
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Yeah! I am originally from Sarreguemines just next to Zweibrucken (but in France) Gute currywurst there!
Are you on about “proper” charcoal currywurst or those abominations fried in fat? You haven’t tasted a real “Currywurst” until you’ve tried the former, esp. with extra-hot spices on top.
All the best, Uwe
PS: Talk about de-railing a thread
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this happens to even the best hornet pilots, and the real hornet has an emergency departure from flight mode, when basically the pilot grabs the handle and waits for the all clear, if he hears the buzz, he is supposed to punch. The computer SHOULD take over, and if you were flying in any logical way, you’ll have plenty of time to recover or get out.
The SU27 experiences something similar, and has a complex auto restart system in place to deal with it, although the su27s problem is more based on fuel flow, AOA, and fluid dynamics at low energy and high altitudes. During a tail slide for instance, it’s not uncommon to get a flame out and reignite that shit once you get good AOA and you start to maneuver in the horizontal again, the mig, which doesn’t have the ocean of fuel in it’s body doesn’t have this problem and can perform the same maneuver.
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Maybe I can add something to the discussion as I have flown both aircraft in real life. (A tad over 1000 hrs in the F-18, and just over 300 currently in the mighty Block 30 F-16).
The current USAF block 30 (analog flight control) procedure for out of control is:
Controls - Release
Throttle - IdleIf in an inverted stall or spin
Rudder - Opposite Yaw Direction
MPO Switch - OVRD and HOLD
Stick - Cycle in phaseThis is the “rocking” to get the plane to build some airspeed to recover. Typically you are looking for 200 KIAS. If you are passing 6000’ AGL and the plane is not recovering, you eject. You definitely don’t want to throttle up when you are out of control. You have less than ideal airflow through the intake. You’re just asking for compressor stall issues. Likewise, you don’t want to put the gear down. It is G and speed limited, and has limited tolerance for lateral forces. There’s no sense recovering from a departure, just to have to belly land when the gear is wrecked.
As for the F-18, the RCAF procedure is:
Controls - Release/Feet off Rudders/Speed Brake In
Throttles - IdleIf recovery indicated by AoA and yaw tones removed, side forces subside, and airspeed accelerating through 180 KIAS - Recover
Passing 6000’ AGL and dive recovery not initiated - Eject
If in a spin:
If command arrows present:
- Lateral Stick - full with arrows
If command arrows not present:
- Spin Recovery Switch - RCVY
- Lateral Stick - full with arrows
When rotation stops:
- Lateral Stick - Smoothly Neutral
- Spin Recovery Switch - Norm
Passing 6000’AGL and dive recovery not initiated - Eject
Overall for BMS, I find the Hornet fun to fly, but the flight model is pretty far off. The Hornet performs far too well in terms of speed and thrust, especially in the high 20s and low 30s. When loaded up, the Hornet is slow. Supersonic flight is difficult to achieve. We learned early on that the F-18 cannot run from a dogfight. However, the high AoA handling characteristics make it a fantastic slow speed dogfighter. It is very controllable at low speeds, and departures from controlled flight are very rare with modern flight control software.
Not sure how useful this is in a sim, but those are the real procedures. Happy flying!
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…FINALLY…somebody that actually knows something about Hornets…eh?
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Yeah! I am originally from Sarreguemines just next to Zweibrucken (but in France) Gute currywurst there!
Do you still remember the recce Spooks or is that a bit before your time?
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Do you still remember the recce Spooks or is that a bit before your time?
Nope, I do not think I know something calle recce Spooks (?) but my mistake, I didn’t meant Zweibrucken but Saarbrucken!
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I have never seen my description of how to get out of the stall described anywhere, but it works for me 100% of the time:
1. Manual pitch override of course.
2. The nose will make slight up and down “bobs” as its in a stall, when its at the top of the bob pull up as hard as possible, when its at the bottom, stick forward as much as possible
3. This will eventually create enough momentum to nose down violently, then let go of the stick (like an old ww2 stall) until you get above stall speed, and you’re good to go -
That’s the only one I’ve seen described - for the F16. The one I know from the -1, at least.
I have never seen my description of how to get out of the stall described anywhere, but it works for me 100% of the time:
1. Manual pitch override of course.
2. The nose will make slight up and down “bobs” as its in a stall, when its at the top of the bob pull up as hard as possible, when its at the bottom, stick forward as much as possible
3. This will eventually create enough momentum to nose down violently, then let go of the stick (like an old ww2 stall) until you get above stall speed, and you’re good to go -
I have never seen my description of how to get out of the stall described anywhere, but it works for me 100% of the time:
1. Manual pitch override of course.
2. The nose will make slight up and down “bobs” as its in a stall, when its at the top of the bob pull up as hard as possible, when its at the bottom, stick forward as much as possible
3. This will eventually create enough momentum to nose down violently, then let go of the stick (like an old ww2 stall) until you get above stall speed, and you’re good to goThen you should probably reread the CAPs, seeing as it is described in there.
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Nope, I do not think I know something calle recce Spooks (?) but my mistake, I didn’t meant Zweibrucken but Saarbrucken!
http://www.hotel-anteporta.de/uploads/pics/weihnachtsmarkt1_01.jpg
…RF-4 Phantoms…?
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