Just an idea I wanted to bounce off everyone.
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Is what in the real F-16? I’m not saying add some instrument that doesn’t exist, I’m saying in the same way they simulate black out and red out, having some minor effect to show if the plane is speeding up or slowing down, to visualize that sensation. It would probably be more trouble than it’s worth to program into the game I know, it was just a thought. I’m not asking they transform BMS into H.A.W.X. or something
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the same way they simulate black out and red out
That’s there because it actually happens in the REAL F16!!!
C9
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It may be harder to AAR in the sim, but once you get used to the visual cues, you don’t need any indication for the acceleration / deceleration.
Having that indicator, no matter how small or large it is, might annoy some people (even those that need it during AAR), especially in situations where it provides no extra benefit, which in general equals 95 - 99% of your flight time. Unless you’re training for a Thunderbirds-formation, but again, visual cues > indicator, because if you have to shift focus between the formation and the indicator, you’re going to wobble anyway. -
And pilots actually feel when they are speeding up and slowing down in the REAL F-16!!! Since everyone can’t have a hydrolic motion sim in their bedroom, why not display that visually since it’s the only way to provide that info in a game? It’s not even a big deal, but it sure as hell some thing that isn’t in the real F-16 like your implying
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Look at the bottom of the tankers. The visual cues are the lights. Real pilots use these. Does the same thing as the idea proposed in the OP.
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See, now eagle eye has a real valid response and I agree with him, I just want to fly thunderbird formation in the game, lol. I don’t know where you come from Cloud 9.
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Speed in the Helmet mounted display can help as a visual que for acceleration
I can certainly tell if I am accelerating by looking at the tanker.
Also after practice you get used to how much you need to move the throttle to move back and forward smoothly. -
I reminded “Enthusia” racing sim from PS2 that had a transparent gray frame to visualize side G.
I guess “Is it in the real F16??” by Cloud 9 means “you don’t have a visual cue in the real F-16 so that should not be in the sim”.
By the way is there Smart Scaling in real F-16?
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Yes, because the entire point of smart scaling is to preserve angular size. Your monitor would make them too small without the scaling.
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I am a fervent defender of sensory feedback to overcome the lack of sensation in the sim by compromising reality
But I’m not in favour of such acceleration indication in this case, because I don’t think it is relevant or helpfulFirst the acceleration is very subtle and yes a pilot would feel it and we don’t
but the cues are there. The refueller flies a constant speed, your acceleration cues are visual. It’s the tanker belly as said above
learn to fly formation and you won’t have issues on the tanker, it’s an experience and practice thing. Even with these accelerations cues, you’ll still need the experience and practice.
So in the end, IMHO what you ask isn’t useful because it replaces something that’s already there, and better placed because it is where you should look (the tanker).If you look at the bottom of that screen for these acceleration cues, no way you will connect, you will constantly oscillate
and for the reality pukes, when you crash in the BMS F-16 do you remove BMS from your harddrive because you died ?
Or do you go visiting the flight surgeon after an ejection?So reality isn’t fully applicable in a sim and must be compromized to get an experience which is then as close as possible to reality - even if that means sometimes doing unrealistic things
By the way, BMS F-16 is able to taxi in the grass, is that real?
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@Red:
and for the reality pukes, when you crash in the BMS F-16 do you remove BMS from your harddrive because you died ?
Naaaaa that’s for noobs… I actually killed myself once
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@Red:
and for the reality pukes
You are obviously talking about Dee-Jay!!!
My posts were in jest!!! Just sticking with his modus operandi!!
C9
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@Red:
I am a fervent defender of sensory feedback to overcome the lack of sensation in the sim by compromising reality
But I’m not in favour of such acceleration indication in this case, because I don’t think it is relevant or helpfulFirst the acceleration is very subtle and yes a pilot would feel it and we don’t
but the cues are there. The refueller flies a constant speed, your acceleration cues are visual. It’s the tanker belly as said above
learn to fly formation and you won’t have issues on the tanker, it’s an experience and practice thing. Even with these accelerations cues, you’ll still need the experience and practice.
So in the end, IMHO what you ask isn’t useful because it replaces something that’s already there, and better placed because it is where you should look (the tanker).If you look at the bottom of that screen for these acceleration cues, no way you will connect, you will constantly oscillate
Red Dog is 100% right.
We could think that the idea is basically not bad. But as Red Dog pointed out, it will anyway remains nothing but visual cues which you already have by looking outside “padlocked” on the tanker.
Such “accelerations” is something in your pants that can’t be replaced by any visual cues. And about accelerations and you comparison with your experience in your car, you must know that it is not 100% the same because of the third dimension, and you can suffer from very strong sensory illusions, especially when focused on a leader or tanker and even more in the could.
One of the first thing I have been taught and the beginning of the flight training, is to NEVER trust your feelings/sensations. It might kills you.Auto-kinetic effect is one of those effects, but not the only one. -> Sensory illusions in aviation
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@Red:
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…and for the reality pukes, when you crash in the BMS F-16 do you remove BMS from your harddrive because you died ?
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IMO even for a hardcore simmer (which I’m not ) it would suffice if you then removed the dead pilot from the pilots’ log and started a completely new one, regardless of the previous accomplishments of the killed one… I used to do it in one of the past Falcon 4 incarnates (BMS 2.0 + SP4.2 I think), but I don’t any more…
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I agree with Red Dog and Dee-Jay.
I submit that the speed changes while in the contact position are so minuscule that the pilot would not sense them, except visually. For example - you’re at a stop sign or traffic light, and you let off the brake and your car starts to roll forward. Do you actually feel the acceleration?
I also have experience with sensory illusions. I was refueling a Hawg one day, and the horizon was totally obscured by haze. After about ten seconds of contact, my eyes and brain ‘told’ me that we were in a 45 degree dive. I checked my instruments and called the drivers up front to make sure we were in fact going straight and level.
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bro, lock on to the tanker,get the airspeed and match it. simple.
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and I’m going to poke the hive too-
YOU CAN’T FEEL THE ACCELERATIONS? why not, whats wrong with you? just joshing ya but just get on the stick. Anytime you feel the need to change an implement of anything because you’re not doing good at it at present it’s time to practice more. If you are having trouble in AAR, I would say, while you make valid points and I’ve read that elsewhere and seen this debate ( not my first sim community) and your idea of coming full circle and master it is adding more sensor feedback to help, then I have to encourage you in the seat of your pants like this…
I can hit the tanker in the turn at night one handed, whats wrong with you ?
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bro, lock on to the tanker,get the airspeed and match it. simple.
Certainly not as simple and … not the right thing to do.