SA-10 behaviour
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SA10 guidance is done via Track Via Missile thus if the missile was airborne already, it’s still able to track you. Furthermore it’s passive guidance AFAIK so no RWR warning for the missile tracking you.
In short if you get a 10 on your RWR assume you have a missile inbound, and killing the Radars will not stop that missile.Not quite correct, TVM still needs a ground radar station to be tracking the target. Lots of literature available, but I’ll just quote a quick one:
“Track via missile (TVM) systems [4] employ a mix of command and semiactive
missile guidance principles in order to achieve improved medium- to long-range
performance at a reasonable cost.
They require a ground illuminator and a semiactive radar sensor on board the
missile. However, the angular tracking data are not processed within the missile;
they are instead sent via a downlink to a powerful central processor at the launch
platform on the ground. Here the trajectory data of both the target and missile are
processed, and accurate guidance commands are sent back to the missile via an
uplink” -
Not quite correct, TVM still needs a ground radar station to be tracking the target. Lots of literature available, but I’ll just quote a quick one:
“Track via missile (TVM) systems [4] employ a mix of command and semiactive
missile guidance principles in order to achieve improved medium- to long-range
performance at a reasonable cost.
They require a ground illuminator and a semiactive radar sensor on board the
missile. However, the angular tracking data are not processed within the missile;
they are instead sent via a downlink to a powerful central processor at the launch
platform on the ground. Here the trajectory data of both the target and missile are
processed, and accurate guidance commands are sent back to the missile via an
uplink”My mistake, the more you know!
Maybe it’s possible that another ground station took over once the FCR was destroyed? Else I’m unsure and it would seem like a bug -
SA10 guidance is done via Track Via Missile thus if the missile was airborne already, it’s still able to track you. Furthermore it’s passive guidance AFAIK so no RWR warning for the missile tracking you.
In short if you get a 10 on your RWR assume you have a missile inbound, and killing the Radars will not stop that missile.This is 100% false. BTW S-300PS and later versions use SAGG and not TVM. I will links stuff about these when I will be at home.
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Ahmed, molni may have missed your answer and Adolfin’s. Happened to me a lot lately, only seeing a part of the thread and having the feeling it stops there.
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Just got killed today by an sa-6 that was launched soon before its radars (both search and fcr) got destroyed by HARMS. I had no spike, no launch warning active anymore and yet the missile continued and guided at me no problem.
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you guys like the beatles too much
https://mega.nz/#!ChFQxCCI!osl8sifxUEAlkacVtfa_LZ8JdCJLc3fT42ndxA3MQYQ
https://mega.nz/#!O0UmgSqY!59f2DO7sudZ9VG-ho_apcwu00nfowQ0dHk16rEk-zdA
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you guys like the beatles too much
https://mega.nz/#!ChFQxCCI!osl8sifxUEAlkacVtfa_LZ8JdCJLc3fT42ndxA3MQYQ
https://mega.nz/#!O0UmgSqY!59f2DO7sudZ9VG-ho_apcwu00nfowQ0dHk16rEk-zdA
Ah, HOJ, ofcourse… cant remember if I was ECM on though.
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Ahmed, molni may have missed your answer and Adolfin’s. Happened to me a lot lately, only seeing a part of the thread and having the feeling it stops there.
Likely, I used my smartphone with I do very rarely for forums.
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you guys like the beatles too much
https://mega.nz/#!ChFQxCCI!osl8sifxUEAlkacVtfa_LZ8JdCJLc3fT42ndxA3MQYQ
https://mega.nz/#!O0UmgSqY!59f2DO7sudZ9VG-ho_apcwu00nfowQ0dHk16rEk-zdA
Aah sorry, I should have asked if it was a known feature instead of bug
I assume this HOJ capability is modeled for the following systems: SA-6/10/11/17 ? Or more perhaps?
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you guys like the beatles too much
https://mega.nz/#!ChFQxCCI!osl8sifxUEAlkacVtfa_LZ8JdCJLc3fT42ndxA3MQYQ
https://mega.nz/#!O0UmgSqY!59f2DO7sudZ9VG-ho_apcwu00nfowQ0dHk16rEk-zdA
Excellent!
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Surely if the SA10 is no longer emitting then the self protection jammer will be silent. HOJ is not ‘magic missile’ especially for SARH missiles, tracking pure pusuit, drfm jamming techniques are some of the obstacles that make HOJ a very, very low Pk.
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Surely if the SA10 is no longer emitting then the self protection jammer will be silent. HOJ is not ‘magic missile’ especially for SARH missiles, tracking pure pusuit, drfm jamming techniques are some of the obstacles that make HOJ a very, very low Pk.
Only problem S-300PT was pure RCG with 5V55K and from S-300PS SAGG method is used with 5V55R which is a combined SARH + TVM method uses both the missile and the guidance station for anti jamming methods.
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Only problem S-300PT was pure RCG with 5V55K and from S-300PS SAGG method is used with 5V55R which is a combined SARH + TVM method uses both the missile and the guidance station for anti jamming methods.
So three things here then, no hoj because spj silent, no hoj because anti jamming and no hoj because drfm. So how can hoj be a reason here.
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So three things here then, no hoj because spj silent, no hoj because anti jamming and no hoj because drfm. So how can hoj be a reason here.
Bms Sa10 has HOJ capabilities
That’s a fact in our DB which explains the OP behavior
That’s all
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Bms Sa10 has HOJ capabilities
That’s a fact in our DB which explains the OP behavior
That’s all
Yes but the SA10 was dead, no longer emitting, so TVM, SAGG, SARH or HOJ will not work because they rely on the reflections from the ground radar coming back to the missile.
The only situation that this would hit its target is if the missile was autonomous which S-300 isn’t. -
Yes but the SA10 was dead, no longer emitting, so TVM, SAGG, SARH or HOJ will not work because they rely on the reflections from the ground radar coming back to the missile.
The only situation that this would hit its target is if the missile was autonomous which S-300 isn’t.I am telling you that in our DB the missile has autonomous HOJ capabilities (like aim120) so it can track you as long you have jammer on , irrespective or the FCR
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I am telling you that in our DB the missile has autonomous HOJ capabilities (like aim120) so it can track you as long you have jammer on , irrespective or the FCR
Is this seen by the devs as a bug and will be fixed?
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What bug??
No bug here as explainedTo my understanding the S-300 needs a ground station (FCR?) feeding the missile with guiding information even for HOJ. Is this wrong?